Your Top Ten One-Day International BOWLERS of all-time

[weldone]

No...bloody hell...no.

It takes a special player to rise above that pressure and perform well. Not perform well, destroy - which is a better term to describe Warne's spells.

And by your submission...if all players are under that pressure, and it took great players/performances to get to that final...the highest stage of all is that final. And if only a handful of players actually perform in that final, it is more than just playing a regular ODI which a lot of players perform in.

Well, if WC final is soooo sooooo important to you then you should also consider Aravinda Desilva among best three batsmen in ODIs, do you?.... And when you talking about performing at the highest level, just check Pollock's and Warne's records against Sachin and Lara, and you'll get the difference.

 

[weldone]

Meager difference

Well, the difference between economy rates 3.69 and something over 4.2 in ODIs is not meager, in no way....I know you won't agree with me in this regard also; but believe me, I am sure if Warne had an economy rate of 3.69 and Pollock something over 4.2 you wouldn't have labelled that a 'meagre difference'.

 

[Ikki]

Well, if WC final is soooo sooooo important to you then you should also consider Aravinda Desilva among best three batsmen in ODIs, do you?.... And when you talking about performing at the highest level, just check Pollock's and Warne's records against Sachin and Lara, and you'll get the difference.

Because I don't judge it solely on finals. I am compare their whole careers too.

And Warne has a better record against the WIndies whilst Pollock better against India. Warne does better against Lara and Pollock against Tendulkar.

And how does judging 2 players get their difference?

 

[Ikki]

Well, the difference between economy rates 3.69 and something over 4.2 in ODIs is not meager, in no way....I know you won't agree with me in this regard also; but believe me, I am sure if Warne had an economy rate of 3.69 and Pollock something over 4.2 you wouldn't have labelled that a 'meagre difference'.

It actually is. It's a difference of 5 runs more conceded by Warne per game. 5 runs.

 

[weldone]

Warne does better against Lara and Pollock against Tendulkar.

!!!!!...Then I must say you have never seen Warne against Lara and Pollock against Lara!!!!!!

Those 2 names came because you were repeatedly telling about playing at the highest level (though I didn't say)....And those 2 are the best batsmen of their era.

 

[weldone]

It actually is. It's a difference of 5 runs more conceded by Warne per game. 5 runs.

Yeah 5 runs not in one game....5 runs in every single ODI they played...think about that and you will get the point......it means if Pollock bowls average he gives 37 runs, if he bowls bad he gives 42 and if he bowls well he gives 32...whereas if Warne bowls average he gives 42, if he bowls bad he gives 47 and if he bowls well he gives 37.........That is a hell lot of a difference.

 

[Ikki]

!!!!!...Then I must say you have never seen Warne against Lara and Pollock against Lara!!!!!!

Those 2 names came because you were repeatedly telling about playing at the highest level (though I didn't say)....And those 2 are the best batsmen of their era.

Pollock's only gotten Lara out twice in his career.

If both were in the same team, then that'd be at least something. 2 batsmen from 2 separate teams is your argument? Have you taken a look at Pollock's WC record? Not really fitting someone in the top 10, let alone top 5.

 

[Ikki]

Yeah 5 runs not in one game....5 runs in every single ODI they played...think about that and you will get the point......it means if Pollock bowls average he gives 37 runs, if he bowls bad he gives 42 and if he bowls well he gives 32...whereas if Warne bowls average he gives 42, if he bowls bad he gives 47 and if he bowls well he gives 37.........That is a hell lot of a difference.

5 runs in every single game, whilst Warne saves 3 balls in every single game and is the most likely to make a difference in the game. And how did you get the the "when he bowls bad/average/good figures"? That's the entire point: when Warne bowls good and in more important games he is BETTER than Pollock. Despite playing 104 less ODI matches, he has the same amount of 4-fers and 4 fewer 5fers.

Those averages are only career based. They have nothing to do with what happened per match. And still, the difference is what, 5-6 runs, 3-4 balls. Personally, I'd have the balls rather than the runs seeing as even a tail-ender these days hits a six. But even if you don't, the difference is small. Which is the entire point, how is Pollock clearly top 5 and Warne not? This is your argument and even based on the statistical analysis it is too close to make that call.

 

[weldone]

Pollock's only gotten Lara out twice in his career.

If both were in the same team, then that'd be at least something. 2 batsmen from 2 separate teams is your argument? Have you taken a look at Pollock's WC record? Not really fitting someone in the top 10, let alone top 5.

Well, we both are fetching the same points....So I feel this is high time we peacefully agree to disagree and stop this fight...Neither mine nor your views are gonna change....But it was nice chatting with you...At least we were talking about great bowlers....By the way check my list of top 41 bowlers in test (in another thread) and don't start fighting there .... Views will always differ from person to person......

 

[Ikki]

Well, we both are fetching the same points....So I feel this is high time we peacefully agree to disagree and stop this fight...Neither mine nor your views are gonna change....But it was nice chatting with you...At least we were talking about great bowlers....By the way check my list of top 41 bowlers in test (in another thread) and don't start fighting there .... Views will always differ from person to person......

I saw it and I liked your list. In truth, I am not disagreeing with your list. You can put whoever you want in there. I was just disputing the fact that you could say Warne, or a player like him, couldn't be in that list. Because, really, ODI bowlers are very close and you could rearrange them as you liked and it'd still make some sense.

But at least you were civil about it and I apologise if I became pushy. Thanks for dealing with my shortcomings the right way. Recently been in a bad mood after these few tests between Australia and India.