Should we run test series with minnows differently ?

[LA ICE-E]

we see, cause right now it looks like its working even if they don't have test quality players, because you said all test qaulity players from ireland are playing for england right?

 

[Richard]

If an Irishman ever looks like becoming Test quality, he'll have to aim to play for England if he wants to fulfill that.

 

[LA ICE-E]

yeah, and you don't need to have test quality players to gain test status, just look at bangladesh in 99 for example. Plus just right now the irish team's way better than bangladesh in 99. So if ireland have a decent team(not test quality) like they do now and the meet the other criteria standards than the icc will give them test status at which no more irishmen will play more england(well for the most part)

 

[Kriketer]

A good solution for minnows could be playing them against top teams in warm-up games. When a country tours another country, they instead of playing against local clubs, should take on the minnows. It's a bit irrational and expensive but well if ICC wants to expand cricket then they have to make such a move. It will only benefit minnows and cricket.

 

[Richard]

yeah, and you don't need to have test quality players to gain test status, just look at bangladesh in 99 for example. Plus just right now the irish team's way better than bangladesh in 99. So if ireland have a decent team(not test quality) like they do now and the meet the other criteria standards than the icc will give them test status at which no more irishmen will play more england(well for the most part)

That's what you might think.

Some people care about playing for a team that has more than 0 chance of winning, too.

Anyhow - for all we know I$C$C might have a bit of sense in this case and not give Ireland Test status.

 

[LA ICE-E]

Some people might care about playing for a team with zero chance of winning but most people doesn't sell out on their country. Uh, it's not a bad thing to give any team test status if they qualify for other the other stuff. That's the only way it's going to expand and the icc is about expanding. The icc doesn't a billions of dollars to give to the developing countries and so after a certain point the only way they will move forward is by gaining test status.

 

[Richard]

Some people might care about playing for a team with zero chance of winning but most people doesn't sell out on their country.

Sell-out on their country, what nonsense is this? Most people want to play for the best team they can, which is why all English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish cricketers have always played for England and in county cricket. Anyone who limited himself to playing for Ireland just because he felt he was deserting his country by not doing would be utterly mad.

Uh, it's not a bad thing to give any team test status if they qualify for other the other stuff. That's the only way it's going to expand and the icc is about expanding. The icc doesn't a billions of dollars to give to the developing countries and so after a certain point the only way they will move forward is by gaining test status.

Yes, obviously - that certain point, however, should not be reached until a country is strong enough to compete in Test cricket.

 

[LA ICE-E]

Sell-out on their country, what nonsense is this? Most people want to play for the best team they can, which is why all English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish cricketers have always played for England and in county cricket. Anyone who limited himself to playing for Ireland just because he felt he was deserting his country by not doing would be utterly mad.

Yes, obviously - that certain point, however, should not be reached until a country is strong enough to compete in Test cricket.

a country can't be strong enough without the money and the most likely a country will get that money is if they play test cricket.

 

[Prince EWS]

Most people want to play for the best team they can.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. I can't imagine Fleming or Vaughan having desires to play for Australia, myself. Most people do want to play at the highest level though, which is why Irish and Scottish born players tend to be want to play county cricket and then for England if they are good enough.

I'm fairly confident that they'd be content with playing for Ireland if Ireland had test status, but they don't because they simply aren't good enough. It is a shame that a player like Joyce can't play for Ireland in the World Cup, but at the same time, it'd be a crying shame if he turned out to be a top class batsman and yet couldn't be tested at the game's ultimate level - test cricket. And, for every Joyce, there are three Trent Johnstons - guys that make whinging about Joyce highly hypocritical. I'm sure Johnston, Bray and Langford-Smith would have played for Australia if they were good enough.

 

[LA ICE-E]

uh, they never whinged about Joyce playing for England. They thanked him for helping them get to the wc. And no Johnston and them didn't move to Ireland because they couldn't play for Australia etc. they moved there for personal reasons.

 

[Prince EWS]

uh, they never whinged about Joyce playing for England. They thanked him for helping them get to the wc. And no Johnston and them didn't move to Ireland because they couldn't play for Australia etc. they moved there for personal reasons.

Í'm quite aware of that. Ireland aren't the ones who whinged about Joyce's defection - silly fans like you are. And I'm quite aware of the Johnston/Bray situation as well, however they would not have played for Ireland if they could have been selected for Australia, which is the point.

 

[LA ICE-E]

I'm not whinging about Joyce playing for England. I get that he wants to play highest level of cricket and that's fine. My point is that not all people sell out their country for playing for the best teams. And it is selling out, but i can see why they do. I don't think I'm whinging about Joyce, and I don't blame him or Morgan if they want to play for England, but just that had they stayed loyal to their country than it would be great too. But as of right now, it's fine because I don't think Ireland meets all the other criteria for test status and so its fine but when they do i would like to see test quality players stick it out. Like Joyce's mother said, "It caused a pang when Ed declared for England". I think Irish would rather play for Ireland when they get close to test status

 

[Richard]

But they're not being disloyal to their country - that's a ridiculous accusation.

 

[Richard]

Well, I wouldn't go that far. I can't imagine Fleming or Vaughan having desires to play for Australia, myself. Most people do want to play at the highest level though, which is why Irish and Scottish born players tend to be want to play county cricket and then for England if they are good enough.

I'm fairly confident that they'd be content with playing for Ireland if Ireland had test status, but they don't because they simply aren't good enough. It is a shame that a player like Joyce can't play for Ireland in the World Cup, but at the same time, it'd be a crying shame if he turned out to be a top class batsman and yet couldn't be tested at the game's ultimate level - test cricket. And, for every Joyce, there are three Trent Johnstons - guys that make whinging about Joyce highly hypocritical. I'm sure Johnston, Bray and Langford-Smith would have played for Australia if they were good enough.

Perhaps what I meant was "at the highest level they can".

 

[LA ICE-E]

But they're not being disloyal to their country - that's a ridiculous accusation.

really? I don't see that way. I get their point of view but it's still disloyal none the less.

 

[Richard]

It's not disloyal, any more than it's disloyal to your domestic side to not play for them because there's international cricket on most of the season. If you are capable, you like to play at the highest level possible. And unfortunately, there's no room for much outside the very top level.

 

[LA ICE-E]

ok but yeah you can call it being disloyal i guess when your domestic teams needs you and you play international team. But prioritize whats more important- domestic or your country, you country. prioritize what's more important your country or different country, it should be your country but the other way is totally fine. just that your not loyal to your country.

 

[LA ICE-E]

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/291015.html these is why ireland and the other associates needs to play at the wc and against the top sides, why? they get sponsored if they do. which will give them money to move forward.

 

[Richard]

ok but yeah you can call it being disloyal i guess when your domestic teams needs you and you play international team. But prioritize whats more important- domestic or your country, you country. prioritize what's more important your country or different country, it should be your country but the other way is totally fine. just that your not loyal to your country.

England is as much Joyce's country as Ireland is if he's happy that way. If I$C$C weren't so expansion-obsessed, no-one would count the two as separate anyway.

 

[LA ICE-E]

England is as much Joyce's country as Ireland is if he's happy that way. If I$C$C weren't so expansion-obsessed, no-one would count the two as separate anyway.

Uh, i don't think the ICC divided Ireland from England...oh don't tell me that the ICC divided the British empire to independent australia,nz,india,bangladesh,pakistan,sri lanka,south afica, and the rest of the commonwealth too because they were so expansion-obsessed?