Should we run test series with minnows differently ?

[LA ICE-E]

We've got to hang onto those kids and not let them go off to county cricket

this is the problem, england/county cricket taking up irish players....
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/291405.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/291393.html

 

[Richard]

Uh, i don't think the ICC divided Ireland from England...oh don't tell me that the ICC divided the British empire to independent australia,nz,india,bangladesh,pakistan,sri lanka,south afica, and the rest of the commonwealth too because they were so expansion-obsessed?

Err, try the fact that the British Empire had ceased to be by the time such countries came to playing international cricket.

You twit.

 

[Richard]

this is the problem, england/county cricket taking up irish players....
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/291405.html
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ireland/content/story/291393.html

It's not a problem, the players want, quite rightly, to play cricket at the best level they can. If the players are good enough to play for counties it's quite right that they should.

 

[LA ICE-E]

i know but still is a problem...until ECB tries to help it's neighboring nations and give the same rule as it does for the english cricket team that counties have to release players upon national call-up.

 

[LA ICE-E]

Err, try the fact that the British Empire had ceased to be by the time such countries came to playing international cricket.

You twit.

try the fact that ireland got independence about 75 years ago.

 

[NUFAN]

A good solution for minnows could be playing them against top teams in warm-up games. When a country tours another country, they instead of playing against local clubs, should take on the minnows. It's a bit irrational and expensive but well if ICC wants to expand cricket then they have to make such a move. It will only benefit minnows and cricket.

I don't mind this idea. The minnows could play warm up matches against state/county sides, or even second 11 sides before taking on the touring country, so they are used to the conditions.

I wouldn't mind seeing an All-Star Minnow side go on a tour and play against states/countys in four day matches. I think it would be interesting and benefitial for all the nations with players as they would develop there game and pass on information and experience to there teammates. They could set a quota of a maximum of 3 or 4 players from the same country.

It may not happen, but still it would be cool to see.

 

[LA ICE-E]

they do this kind of stuff! it was a icc winter camp where the best players from each associate country went and got proper coaching before playing games against south african 1st class teams or something like that.

 

[NUFAN]

they do this kind of stuff! it was a icc winter camp where the best players from each associate country went and got proper coaching before playing games against south african 1st class teams or something like that.

No wonder it was a good idea The All-Star Minnow 11 sounds better then a training camp though.

Just out of interest who would make your squad?

This would be my 20 man development squad.
Porterfield IRE
Barnett CAN
Tikolo KEN
O'Brien IRE
Ten Doeschate NET
O'Brien IRE
Watson SCO
Hoffman SCO
Davison CAN
Odoyo KEN
Schifferli NET
Rankin IRE
Bilcliff CAN
Morgan IRE
Bagai CAN
Mukuddem BER
Smith SCO
Shah KEN
Leverock BER
McCallan IRE

 

[LA ICE-E]

Well, i would be bit biased in that i would be more pro home grown players than foreign recruits(canada) and younger players than oldies but it be something like-
Tikilo(ken)
Rankin(ire)
O'Brien bros(Ire)
Shah(Ken)
Watson(sco)
Lyons(sco)
Blain(sco)
Poonia(sco)
ten Doeschate(net)
Kervezee(net)
van Bunge(net)
Hurdle(ber)
Hemp(ber)
Pitcher(ber)
Jones(ber)
Bagai(can)
Mishra(ken)
Obuya bros(ken)
Morgan(Ire)
White(ire)

I might be missing some good players... to me i would rather get the younger players get good coaching and experience since they are going to last longer than the oldies. So they could give some pointers to the new ones that will come along and even give some pointers to the oldies who are probably playing their last wc.

 

[Richard]

try the fact that ireland got independence about 75 years ago.

As I say - political independence is not important, it's purely geographical.

Ireland has always been part of England in a cricketing sense - none of the other countries have been in the I$C$C era, which started in 1993.

 

[Richard]

i know but still is a problem...until ECB tries to help it's neighboring nations and give the same rule as it does for the english cricket team that counties have to release players upon national call-up.

Ireland isn't a neighbouring nation in cricketing terms, it's part of a domestic competition.

 

[LA ICE-E]

As I say - political independence is not important, it's purely geographical.

Ireland has always been part of England in a cricketing sense - none of the other countries have been in the I$C$C era, which started in 1993.

really? cause pakistan played as part of india and then after they separated they became a different team..i already went over it and you went over it too so i see no point for you to continue.

 

[LA ICE-E]

Ireland isn't a neighbouring nation in cricketing terms, it's part of a domestic competition.

yeah i know it's in their domestic league but it's still a neighboring nation and in cricketing terms too. things aren't always going to stay the same, things change go along with it.

 

[Richard]

really? cause pakistan played as part of india and then after they separated they became a different team..i already went over it and you went over it too so i see no point for you to continue.

Pakistan never played as part of India - the minute the countries separated, so did the cricket teams.

Pakistan and Ireland are completely and totally different cases.

 

[Richard]

yeah i know it's in their domestic league but it's still a neighboring nation and in cricketing terms too. things aren't always going to stay the same, things change go along with it.

No, some things change. And some don't. That particular thing is something that's highly unlikely to.

 

[LA ICE-E]

Pakistan never played as part of India - the minute the countries separated, so did the cricket teams.

Pakistan and Ireland are completely and totally different cases.

yeah, and pakistani players played as part of india before they separated, i'm pretty sure.

 

[Richard]

That sentence makes no sense.

 

[Dasa]

I think what LA ICE-E is getting at is that players who later became known as Pakistani did play as part of an Indian team before partition and independence.

 

[Richard]

Right. Thought that was the likeliest scenario.

In which case, of course they did - why wouldn't they? But once they became Pakistanis, they played for Pakistan.

Ireland is a completely different case - political identity is not the issue, as it was for India and Pakistan.

 

[LA ICE-E]

yeah, i think ahead of myself sometimes, and then it doesn't make sense. Also political identity is kind of an issue cause irish people(not from norther ireland) doesn't like the british so much or al teast as far as i know of.