***Official*** English Domestic Season 2007

[marc71178]

It's not that simple for O'Brien - this is a case of 2 domestic sides in effect.

 

[Richard]

Good to see you've admitted Ireland are in fact a domestic side.

 

[Prince EWS]

TBH, Jones and domestic-First-Class cricket have never mixed. I'd pick him for the First Test if he lasts the time between now and then. He might do well, he might not - there's only one way to find-out. He's never totally convinced me as a Test bowler - I wait to see.

Me either, ITBT, but he's gone a long way further to doing so than Harmison, Mahmood or Plunkett have, so he's a must-pick if he's fit.

 

[Prince EWS]

Good to see you've admitted Ireland are in fact a domestic side.

Well, the "Ireland" that plays in the C&G Trophy quite obviously is, but it's not a representative side. Saqlain played in it last year IIRC. The "Ireland" that is currently playing in the World Cup though is quite obviously an international side - and this is mirrored by the fact that it gains players it has not contracted for the C&G Trophy as well as losing players that it has playing in the C&G - due to eligibility issues.

I really don't see the argument there.

 

[Richard]

The argument is that while one exists, the other will always struggle.

And no-one is ever going to change the fact that the domestic side exists.

 

[brockley]

The ECB has a policy that allows players not playing for their county release so they can represent their european team,case in point jon blain last season,gavin hamilton the year before.
So niall o'brien could represent 2 sides this year.

 

[brockley]

county preview
http://www.cricketfansforum.net/cffsite/newsarticles/pathos/countyseasonagain.html

 

[Richard]

The ECB has a policy that allows players not playing for their county release so they can represent their european team,case in point jon blain last season,gavin hamilton the year before.
So niall o'brien could represent 2 sides this year.

Trouble is, the C&G group stage means Northants and Ireland will be playing at the exact same time.

 

[marc71178]

Good to see you've admitted Ireland are in fact a domestic side.

The Ireland that plays in the domestic knockout is a domestic side - the side at the World Cup is not.

 

[marc71178]

The ECB has a policy that allows players not playing for their county release so they can represent their european team,case in point jon blain last season,gavin hamilton the year before.
So niall o'brien could represent 2 sides this year.

No, they only released them for Internationals - not an ECB policy.

 

[Richard]

The Ireland that plays in the domestic knockout is a domestic side - the side at the World Cup is not.

And yet they're reprisented by the same organising body - hence they are a domestic side.

 

[marc71178]

The one in the C&G is a domestic side, yes, like the other sides in the C&G they're entitled to play foreigners etc.

The one in the World Cup is an International side - they get to pick from all the available players of their nationality.

 

[Richard]

But the authority organising the teams is the same, regardless of the regulations govorning players involved.

 

[marc71178]

So what?

The teams are completely different, as shown by the different players playing, because last time I checked, Saqlain and Afridi weren't playing for Ireland in the World Cup...

 

[Richard]

The aim, is it not, is the same? The Ireland Cricket Board wish their players, as many as possible, to play? Even they do take the opportunity when it's offered to employ Pakistanis.

 

[marc71178]

If that were the case, they'd all be playing for them, but they're quite clearly not, because the Ireland C&G side is a domestic side.

 

[Richard]

Except that that's nothing to do with the Irish Cricket Board - it's to do with the players who feel they're better off playing for a county... wonder why that might be, now...

 

[Prince EWS]

Except that that's nothing to do with the Irish Cricket Board - it's to do with the players who feel they're better off playing for a county... wonder why that might be, now...

1. So they can play first class cricket
2. Money

Plus the one you are clearly alluding to - the chance to eventually play for England.

 

[vic_orthdox]

To be honest, not sure if this is necessary, morgieb.

 

[morgieb]

Derbyshire
1. G Welch (captain)
2. GS Ballance
3. PM Borrington
4. AG Botha
5. SMJ Cusden
6. KJ Dean
7. IJ Harvey
8. Hassan Adnan
9. LD Hughes
10. ID Hunter
11. T Lungley
12. J Needham
13. CD Paget
14. DJ Pipe (wicketkeeper)
15. TJ Poynton (wicketkeeper)
16. WB Rankin
17. DJ Redfern
18. GM Smith
19. SD Stubbings
20. CR Taylor
21. GG Wagg
22. WPC Weston
23. WA White
24. RA Whiteley (wicketkeeper)
25. TR Birt (overseas player)
26. SM Katich (overseas player)

Durham
1. DM Benkenstein
2. GR Breese
3. ME Claydon
4. KJ Coetzer
5. PD Collingwood
6. M Davies
7. LJ Evans
8. OD Gibson
9. WRS Gidman
10. BW Harmison
11. SJ Harmison
12. MM Iqbal
13. N Killeen
14. U Mahomad
15. GJ Muchall
16. P Mustard (wicketkeeper)
17. G Onions
18. GT Park (wicketkeeper)
19. LE Plunkett
20. GM Scott
21. WR Smith
22. MD Stoneman
23. CD Thorp
24. PJ Wiseman
25. MJ Di Venuto (overseas player)

Essex
1. RC Irani (captain)
2. JS Ahmed
3. RS Bopara
4. MA Chambers
5. V Chopra
6. AN Cook
7. A Flower
8. GW Flower
9. JS Foster (wicketkeeper)
10. MG Johnson
11. JD Middlebrook
12. GR Napier
13. AP Palladino
14. ML Pettini
15. TJ Phillips
16. RN ten Doeschate
17. SD Thomas
18. AJ Tudor
19. MS Westfield
20. T Westley
21. AJ Bichel (overseas player)
22. Danish Kaneria (overseas player)
23. A Nel (overseas player)

Glamorgan
1. RDB Croft (captain)
2. WD Bragg (wicketkeeper)
3. DD Cherry
4. DA Cosker
5. AP Davies
6. RN Grant
7. JAR Harris
8. AJ Harrison
9. DS Harrison
10. DL Hemp
11. SP Jones
12. MP O'Shea
13. N Peng
14. MJ Powell
15. GP Rees
16. AC Shingler
17. KD Tudge
18. MA Wallace (wicketkeeper)
19. HT Waters
20. AG Wharf
21. BJ Wright
22. MTG Elliott (overseas player)
23. JP Maher (overseas player)

Gloucestershire
1. J Lewis (captain)
2. SJ Adshead (wicketkeeper)
3. Kadeer Ali
4. MW Alleyne
5. V Banerjee
6. DO Brown
7. ID Fisher
8. APR Gidman
9. CG Greenidge
10. MA Hardinges
11. GP Hodnett
12. SP Kirby
13. WD Rudge
14. SD Snell
15. CM Spearman
16. TP Stayt
17. CG Taylor
18. HJH Marshall (overseas player)
19. AA Noffke (overseas player)
20. MJ North (overseas player)
21. Umar Gul (overseas player)