***Official*** Commonwealth Bank Tri-Series

[James]

I wonder if we'll have James in here with his standard "Vettori is overrated" whinge tonight.

Yes well, umm.....

 

[Nemesis27]

They are clueless what to do and after playing such passive cricket for long periods of time, when they try to enforce it, wickets just tumble

 

[pup11]

how can kiwi and english batting improve when blokes like sinclair,vincent,cook,owais shah,solanki are sitting in their houses and good odi player like geraint jones and liam plunkett(handy all-rounder) are not being selected.

 

[Burgey]

I see NZ as a real chance (if at full strength) to challenge for the World Cup. They have a couple of problems up front in the batting, but their bowling is penetrative and varied, their middle order is solid and they have some big hitters.
One never likes to be too cricial, but England are just so dire at the moment that it's almost beyond belief. Are there no big hitters in England at the moment? Fred goes beserker, as can KP, but where are the other blokes who can belt it over the fence? Compare the Kiwi and Aussie middle-order strike power with England's. It's not that the blokes who are there right now are necessarily bad players, but they are the wrong type of player in the evolving one day game where the most successful sides no longer have one or two hitters and the rest nudgers, but rather the reverse.
There must be some blokes in Blighty who can hit a long ball, surely?

 

[MoxPearl]

well NZ has no specialist openers ... i would change astle for cumming .... and get rid of bracewell..

Will b keen to see how this game effects team morale..

 

[Prince EWS]

I see NZ as a real chance (if at full strength) to challenge for the World Cup. They have a couple of problems up front in the batting, but their bowling is penetrative and varied, their middle order is solid and they have some big hitters.
One never likes to be too cricial, but England are just so dire at the moment that it's almost beyond belief. Are there no big hitters in England at the moment? Fred goes beserker, as can KP, but where are the other blokes who can belt it over the fence? Compare the Kiwi and Aussie middle-order strike power with England's. It's not that the blokes who are there right now are necessarily bad players, but they are the wrong type of player in the evolving one day game where the most successful sides no longer have one or two hitters and rest nudgers, but rather the reverse.
There must be some blokes in Blighty who can hit a long ball, surely?

When you get bowled out for 120, big hitters are hardly your concern though.

They've picked Mal Loye to address that anyway. Jury is still out obviously, but he'd better do something of note very soon, as he is 34 and all.

 

[Prince EWS]

how can kiwi and english batting improve when blokes like sinclair,vincent,cook,owais shah,solanki are sitting in their houses and good odi player like geraint jones and liam plunkett(handy all-rounder) are not being selected.

All of the players you mentioned have been tried and failed in one day internationals.

Plunkett is still young so he could improve into a handy player - but the rest have been proven inadequate at ODI level.

 

[pup11]

Mal Loye you will need a dentist pretty soon!

what does this guy mal loye want to prove by going on one knee and trying to sweep the likes of bond and lee if he keeps on doing it he will the newest casualty in the ever growing england injury list.

 

[superkingdave]

Collingwood deserves much of the batting blame for mine, what did he think it was, a timeless test ffs?

Thats the second time i've entered a bar with England in a decent position and left with the game gone.

 

[superkingdave]

what does this guy mal loye want to prove by going on one knee and trying to sweep the likes of bond and lee if he keeps on doing it he will the newest casualty in the ever growing england injury list.

He's been doing it for years and not needed a dentist yet

 

[MoxPearl]

When you get bowled out for 120, big hitters are hardly your concern though.

They've picked Mal Loye to address that anyway. Jury is still out obviously, but he'd better do something of note very soon, as he is 34 and all.

well what would you do about astle ???

I would try something.. cause it cant get any worse...

Send astle back to domestic for a lil bit...

 

[Jono]

Pitiful from England to lose by a bonus point, but great come back from NZ. Won me my bet

 

[wpdavid]

Gee it would be nice to be wrong about England occasionally.
So what have we got left? Collingwood, who's played his one decent knock of the series, Joyce, who has shown no sign of being good enough for this level, Fred, who's due a fail, Nixon (see Joyce) and the bowlers. NZ by 90 runs, I reckon.

Thank you, thank you, ......

 

[Jono]

Gee it would be nice to be wrong about England occasionally.
So what have we got left? Collingwood, who's played his one decent knock of the series, Joyce, who has shown no sign of being good enough for this level, Fred, who's due a fail, Nixon (see Joyce) and the bowlers. NZ by 90 runs, I reckon. Time to go & have a cuppa rather than watch these nohopers.

Its scary how right you were, but tbh when it comes to this ODI team you're almost always right

 

[Nemesis27]

at least NZ DO have a decent middle-lower order though, we have seen that get them out of trouble two times already. England, its more like 5 out, all out and without pietersen, the top order is 1. just test cricketers, unsuited to the one day arena, and 2- In quite poor form. What england need isn't one or two changes, but an entire rehash of their batting. Keep Pietersen and Flintoff and replace the rest, they simply arent suited to one day cricket at all, hence the reason why they are currently no. 8 in ODI's

 

[pup11]

surely these players might have failed but looking at the current picture .can vincent bat more poorly than astle, or sinclair than fulton,and jones can bat better than nixon any given day and strauss doesn't look like scoring runs at all either.

 

[Nate]

how can kiwi and english batting improve when blokes like sinclair,vincent,cook,owais shah,solanki are sitting in their houses and good odi player like geraint jones and liam plunkett(handy all-rounder) are not being selected.

Matthew Sinclair - ODI Average @ 28, OD Average @ 30
Lou Vincent - ODI Average @ 25, OD Average @ 28
Alastair Cook - ODI Average @ 40 after two matches, OD Average @ 30
Owais Shah - ODI Average @ 18, OD Average @ 33
Vikram Solanki - ODI Average @ 27, OD Average @ 30
Geriant Jones - ODI Average @ 25, OD Average @ 24
Liam Plunkett - ODI Averages @ 20 & 38, OD Averages @ 19 & 35

Please don`t post on every thought that pops into your head.

And in case you don`t think statistics tell the whole story, have a few thousand words.

 

[pup11]

mal loye had not faced a lee or bond before either .

 

[Prince EWS]

surely these players might have failed but looking at the current picture .can vincent bat more poorly than astle, or sinclair than fulton,and jones can bat better than nixon any given day and strauss doesn't look like scoring runs at all either.

Fulton has been batting quite decently actually. Nothing brilliant but he's scoring the odd run.

Astle may be in bad form, but dropping him for someone who has proven they rarely score runs at ODI level even when they are in good form is hardly the answer...

 

[Fiery]

surely these players might have failed but looking at the current picture .can vincent bat more poorly than astle, or sinclair than fulton,and jones can bat better than nixon any given day and strauss doesn't look like scoring runs at all either.