Yousuf or Ponting?

[PhoenixFire]

i) Lara, Tendulkar
ii) Kallis, Dravid, Ponting, Inzamam
iii) Mohammed Yousuf, Hayden, Gilchrist, Pietersen
iv) The rest

 

[C_C]

Seriously, Sehwag is a lot more deserving to be up there ahead of the likes of Pietersen...

 

[social]

Err no.
That is like saying we should treat Yousuf's allergy to good seaming pitches as nothing more than anomaly. Ponting's allergy to crumbling pitches may have less impact on his average than Yousuf's ( afterall, you hardly ever see a crumbler outside of India) but its no less damning in the stakes- since a great batsman is supposed to have competency on all surfaces. Until Ponting rectifies that, he will be the Aussie Yousuf- just a better version going by their achievements so far.

Ponting has scored runs on spinning pitches world-wide except India

Please dont act like India is some spinners' nirvana

 

[mohammad16]

Seriously, Sehwag is a lot more deserving to be up there ahead of the likes of Pietersen...

not really, peiterson played good innings againts the best attack in pressure situations
sehwag has jus been a flat track bully and a first innings run maker

 

[silentstriker]

Yea, I don't know how Pieterson got up there. I don't think I would put Sehwag up there, but Pieterson should defiantly not be there yet. Maybe in two years.

 

[mohammad16]

shrugs.

Lara
Dravid
Tendulkar
Ponting
inzy
Kallis
gilchrist


the rest

i think ponting is ahead of dravid because he scores faster, dravid is more a team savior then a match winner, he is a match winner but MOOre a team savior, while ponting is more a match winner

 

[silentstriker]

Ponting has scored runs on spinning pitches world-wide except India

Please dont act like India is some spinners' nirvana

Actually, it pretty much is spinners' nirvana, and it took Aussies 35 years to win there because of that reason.

With that said, I think his performances against India are not indicative of his ability. But they're there and they do have to count a little bit against him. That doesn't stop him from being the best batsman in the world at the moment though, and quite possibly the 3rd best batsman in Aussie history.

 

[mohammad16]

Yea, I don't know how Pieterson got up there. I don't think I would put Sehwag up there, but Pieterson should defiantly not be there yet. Maybe in two years.

you are right he needs a bit more time, but i would take him if i were making a test team right now

 

[silentstriker]

i think ponting is ahead of dravid because he scores faster, dravid is more a team savior then a match winner, he is a match winner but MOOre a team savior, while ponting is more a match winner

4th test, West Indies.

That is all. But yea, Ponting is better because he scores as much and more than Dravid and does it faster too.

 

[C_C]

Ponting has scored runs on spinning pitches world-wide except India

Please dont act like India is some spinners' nirvana

World-wide ?
Pfft.
Apart from in SL and India, just where and when exactly has Ponting ever faced quality spinners on spin-friendly surfaces ?
Incase you say Pakistan, Pakistan hardly ever has spinning pitches.
Incase you say England, Giles is hardly a spiner worth mentioning in the grand scheme of things.
And just like 'playing pace' isnt just a blanket statement but is defined more cogently in terms of hard,fast and bouncy wickets or really seaming ones, spinning wickets too- are more cogently defined as wickets that either crumble or start taking turn, the minefield being the one that does both.
Ponting most definately is absymal on pitches that crumble. Simply because, as i said, he cannot read spinners from the hand.
As far as i am concerned, its a flaw just as glaring as the one Yousuf has.

 

[C_C]

not really, peiterson played good innings againts the best attack in pressure situations
sehwag has jus been a flat track bully and a first innings run maker

Err...Sehwag has made runs against McWarne. And Both Bangalore and Chennai last time Aussies were around were anything but flat tracks.
And Sehwag has more quality innings against quality attacks than Pietersen does at the moment.
Pietersen is again, benifitting (or not, depending on the perspective) from the large amount of hype from basically being the first potential 'great' batsman out of the British Isles in over 20 years.

 

[C_C]

i think ponting is ahead of dravid because he scores faster, dravid is more a team savior then a match winner, he is a match winner but MOOre a team savior, while ponting is more a match winner

Scoring fast is largely irrelevant in test cricket.
It matters far more that you score more runs than having extra few boundaries in your innings.
Also the fact that Ponting has never faced Australia while Dravid has and his record matches Ponting despite this fact is enough reason to put Dravid ahead. Another huge thing for me is the ability of a batsman to make runs away from home- Dravid is absolutely peerless in this and while Ponting isnt bad, he isnt extraordinary in this regard as Dravid is.
Overall, i'd take Dravid in tests much easily than i'd take Ponting. Dravid is a bit less assured againt pace as Ponting is but he is infinitely better against spin- this, despite the fact that Dravid isnt exactly the best of the best in terms of facing spin.

 

[mohammad16]

Err...Sehwag has made runs against McWarne. And Both Bangalore and Chennai last time Aussies were around were anything but flat tracks.
And Sehwag has more quality innings against quality attacks than Pietersen does at the moment.
Pietersen is again, benifitting (or not, depending on the perspective) from the large amount of hype from basically being the first potential 'great' batsman out of the British Isles in over 20 years.

i dont think thats the case, i think there is reason to belive he has potential to be one fo the best simply because he has far superior footwork to sehwag, much better technique and can play all types of shots unlike sehwag who is very weak againts the short ball. if peiterson gets his head right, he is amazing

 

[mohammad16]

Scoring fast is largely irrelevant in test cricket.
It matters far more that you score more runs than having extra few boundaries in your innings.
Also the fact that Ponting has never faced Australia while Dravid has and his record matches Ponting despite this fact is enough reason to put Dravid ahead. Another huge thing for me is the ability of a batsman to make runs away from home- Dravid is absolutely peerless in this and while Ponting isnt bad, he isnt extraordinary in this regard as Dravid is.
Overall, i'd take Dravid in tests much easily than i'd take Ponting. Dravid is a bit less assured againt pace as Ponting is but he is infinitely better against spin- this, despite the fact that Dravid isnt exactly the best of the best in terms of facing spin.

thats trure, but how many innings has dravid played that can counter the match winning knocks of ponting, sure dravid is more consistent and is ever reliable, ponting tends to come through when his team needs him the most, while at other times ponting is not that good, he has played some un belivevalbe knocks

 

[C_C]

i dont think thats the case, i think there is reason to belive he has potential to be one fo the best simply because he has far superior footwork to sehwag, much better technique and can play all types of shots unlike sehwag who is very weak againts the short ball. if peiterson gets his head right, he is amazing

Pietersen is pretty vulnerable to the ball outside the offstump.
And i dont think footwork matters much when someone is reeling off hundreds against Warne and McGrath in good time. And if you think Sehwag doesnt have quality innings against quality attacks and that he's had significantly more quality innings than Pietersen, you'r wrong- it a fact.
Potential is irrelevant in discussing how good one actually is. Pietersen might have more potential but as it stands now, he is far far behind Sehwag as a test player.

 

[C_C]

thats trure, but how many innings has dravid played that can counter the match winning knocks of ponting, sure dravid is more consistent and is ever reliable, ponting tends to come through when his team needs him the most, while at other times ponting is not that good, he has played some un belivevalbe knocks

Actually, Ponting hasnt had as many occasions where his team 'really needed him' considering how consistent Autralia's batting has been in the last 10 years.
Not saying he hasnt played them- but Dravid most definately has far far more knocks where his team needed him to come through and he delivered. I dont see how Ponting figures in the talk before Dravid - Dravid's stood up for the team when others have crumbled far more often than Ponting, he's faced Australia and still has a near-identical record with Ponting, he doesnt have an obvious chink in his armour as Ponting does ( playing on crumblers) and his away performance shades Ponting's easily.

 

[mohammad16]

Pietersen is pretty vulnerable to the ball outside the offstump.
And i dont think footwork matters much when someone is reeling off hundreds against Warne and McGrath in good time. And if you think Sehwag doesnt have quality innings against quality attacks and that he's had significantly more quality innings than Pietersen, you'r wrong- it a fact.
Potential is irrelevant in discussing how good one actually is. Pietersen might have more potential but as it stands now, he is far far behind Sehwag as a test player.

well to me the past is not that relevant either, all im saying is if i had to choose between sehwag and peiterson in a test team, id probably choose peiterson but its not a no brainer, sehwag isa top quality test player

 

[C_C]

well to me the past is not that relevant either, all im saying is if i had to choose between sehwag and peiterson in a test team, id probably choose peiterson but its not a no brainer, sehwag isa top quality test player

Well if the past isnt relevant, then at present moment, both Sehwag and Pietersen are probably sitting in a room somewhere eating or watching tv.

 

[mohammad16]

Actually, Ponting hasnt had as many occasions where his team 'really needed him' considering how consistent Autralia's batting has been in the last 10 years.
Not saying he hasnt played them- but Dravid most definately has far far more knocks where his team needed him to come through and he delivered. I dont see how Ponting figures in the talk before Dravid - Dravid's stood up for the team when others have crumbled far more often than Ponting, he's faced Australia and still has a near-identical record with Ponting, he doesnt have an obvious chink in his armour as Ponting does ( playing on crumblers) and his away performance shades Ponting's easily.

well if u choose dravid over ponting, i am certain its not easily
i think its close if anything, i prefer ponting but im not totally againts picking dravid over ponting and i think its close

 

[magsi23]

I think Ponting with 100 N.O last night is very good from anyone with a right mind.

What?