Your 5 top oneday batsmen for the last 10 overs

[bryce]

looking purely at statistics it seems his batting may be in decline(even though i don't think it is) but it seems to be an opposite trend in regard to his bowling

 

[tooextracool]

doubt it, its been fairly obvious that cairns hasnt been performing as consistently as he was earlier with the bat. with regard to the ball, his ER has really been miserable for all of the last 3 years.

 

[Tim]

I actually think Cairns is about to get better to be honest...he's enjoying cricket alot more since he retired from tests. He looks in great shape & over the last 6 months he's looked better with the bat & I think his bowling has improved out of sight since he returned last year.

But has Cairns ever performed consistently? he's either been hampered by injuries or had several personal tragedies in his life.
I think he's about to become the most consistent he's ever been in the next few months...even if he's 34.

 

[marc71178]

It's actually been a fair while he's been fit now isn't it?

I wonder how that has to do with no longer playing Tests?

 

[bryce]

doubt it, its been fairly obvious that cairns hasnt been performing as consistently as he was earlier with the bat. with regard to the ball, his ER has really been miserable for all of the last 3 years.

as tim said, cairns has never really been very consistent

 

[Zinzan]

as tim said, cairns has never really been very consistent

Cairns is in the best ODI form of his career...

 

[Tim]

Well he's really only started to hit peak fitness right now...he came back at the end of 2003, but still looked ginger & didn't really look comfortable until mid-way through last year.

 

[tooextracool]

as tim said, cairns has never really been very consistent

yes, but it still doesnt change the fact that hes been performing below his best off late.

 

[Tim]

What are you on about?
During his last 15 ODI's he's taken 20 wickets at an average 18.60 & averaged 30 with the bat.
Considering he's no longer a front-line bowler, thats a pretty good return.

That's surely better than when he first returned to ODI cricket 2 years ago!

 

[tooextracool]

and of course it isnt surprising that his ER has been poor(given that thats what really matters in ODI cricket anyways) and that hes taken many of those wickets against bdesh.
and no ive not said that cairns has been performing poorly, ive simply said that hes been performing worse than what he was in his prime.

 

[Tim]

ER isn't much of a concern if you're taking wickets...it does become an issue if you're not.

 

[bryce]

and of course it isnt surprising that his ER has been poor(given that thats what really matters in ODI cricket anyways)

his rpo in his last 20 odi's that you were referring to is 4.24

and that hes taken many of those wickets against bdesh.

i don't know about you but i don't classify three out of 20 wickets as many

 

[tooextracool]

ER isn't much of a concern if you're taking wickets...it does become an issue if you're not.

no, if you take 2/50 from 8 overs, you maybe averaging 25, but those are still poor figures.

 

[tooextracool]

his rpo in his last 20 odi's that you were referring to is 4.24

rubbish, well done in manipulating stats.
cairns had an ER of 5.89 in 2003, extremely poor by any standards.
in 2004, he had an ER of 4.89(not including performances against bangladesh and USA), again far from acceptable especially considering that he got seamer friendly conditions for the large part in england. where you come up with this 4.24 figure i'll never know.

i don't know about you but i don't classify three out of 20 wickets as many

its actually 4 if you count the game against USA, not many but still more than enough to raise his average from 23 to 26 this year. it also raises his ER dramatically as shown above.

 

[bryce]

rubbish, well done in manipulating stats.
cairns had an ER of 5.89 in 2003, extremely poor by any standards.
in 2004, he had an ER of 4.89(not including performances against bangladesh and USA), again far from acceptable especially considering that he got seamer friendly conditions for the large part in england. where you come up with this 4.24 figure i'll never know.

grab a calculator and have a look at the bottom of this page and work out his rpo in his last 20 odi's from there(the last ODI in the pakistani series he went for 16 off three overs)
and you'll see where i got it from, i think you should end up with 517 runs from 122 overs which equals 4.24 rpo

its actually 4 if you count the game against USA

nope it's still three....

and that hes taken many of those wickets against bdesh.

 

[bryce]

and if you want to take away performances against bangladesh and usa(which i'm sure you do) it equates to 4.75 rpo - about his career rpo

 

[tooextracool]

grab a calculator and have a look at the bottom of this page and work out his rpo in his last 20 odi's from there(the last ODI in the pakistani series he went for 16 off three overs)
and you'll see where i got it from, i think you should end up with 517 runs from 122 overs which equals 4.24 rpo

except that 20 ODIs conveniently includes 3 games against b'desh, 1 game against canada, and the whole of the natwest series that was played in seamer freindly conditions and ignores both series vs pak where he was extremely poor. if you look at his ER in 04, which gives a more accurate description of how well hes bowled, he has an ER of 4.89(not including games against b'desh and USA) which isnt very good

nope it's still three....

how is it still 3? he played 3 against b'desh(0/5, 2/15, 1/21) and one against the USA and 3+ 1 = 4!!

 

[tooextracool]

and if you want to take away performances against bangladesh and usa(which i'm sure you do) it equates to 4.75 rpo - about his career rpo

its actually 4.89, as ive shown above. regardless the only reason his career ER is 4.72 is because hes been expensive over the last 2 years(went at 5.89 in 03!). in early 2000, his ER was below 4.60 and in mid 98 it was 4.50

 

[Zinzan]

except that 20 ODIs conveniently includes 3 games against b'desh, 1 game against canada, and the whole of the natwest series that was played in seamer freindly conditions and ignores both series vs pak where he was extremely poor. if you look at his ER in 04, which gives a more accurate description of how well hes bowled, he has an ER of 4.89(not including games against b'desh and USA) which isnt very good



how is it still 3? he played 3 against b'desh(0/5, 2/15, 1/21) and one against the NZ and 3+ 1 = 4!!

Thats true. The Natwest series against W.I and Eng where NZ were unbeaten was like playing Bangladesh and USA

NZ weren't even tested in that Series.....

But no doubt Cairns (since retiring from Test cricket) has actually improved as a ODI player....particularly as a bowler....don't quite know how you think otherwise?

 

[youngster_89]

My 5 Batsmen are

M.Bevan
B.Lara
S.Tendulkar
A.Gilchrist
J.Kallis

I think that all selections speak for themselves