none of this proves who is the best player in the last 10 overs, it's all basically irrelavent and you have wasted your time, if you want to argue about who is the best six hitter then maybe you should start your own threadSteven2106 said:
oh is the only way you can score quickly at the end of an innings by hitting sixes ?Steven2106 said:
Correct Bryce. All Flintoff supporters seem to do this. That is they fudge Flintoff's stats to suit themselves to talk him up. For example - When talking him up as a oneday cricketer, and because he has a good ODI record - they refer to his whole career to date. ie. his average and career strikerate.bryce said:
Yes, because they don't make him look anything like the player he now is.zinzan12 said:
This is not true, the reason we refer to his recent stats is that his career stats dont give a true reflection of his ability. It was from 2001 that the Flintoff we see now began to emmerge, before that he was no more than a part-time bowler and a slogger and did not deserve to play for England. He lost a lot of weight and got very fit, changed his batting technique (playing the ball much later with a much better shot selection), and for the first time in years was able to practice his bowling after his back injury had healed sufficiently. As a youngster he bowled fast out-swingers with a side-on action but had to stop bowling for 3 years after a series of back injuries and change his approach, bowling very infrequently in matches between 97 and 2000 and not being able to practice between games.zinzan12 said:
I accept that Cairns strike rate would be higher if he had started his career at the same time as Flintoff and scoring rates used to be lower. Flintoff still has a long way to go to match Cairns in tests but i think he is already a better ODI player. His batting average and strike rate are much higher and his bowling record is also much better which surprised me. Cairns has 188 wickets @ 31 and an economy of 4.7 compared to Flintoff with 82 @24 and an economy of 4.2. So how can you say Cairns is much better than the over-hyped Flintoff?zinzan12 said:
Improvisation was probably the wrong word - I meant more that they all have the ability to hit a ball for six regardless of where it pitches because of their sheer power and aggression, whereas I get the impression that there are certain deliveries you could bowl to Lara and Tendulkar that you could safely say they wouldn't hit for six. Not that I know what those deliveries are, of course!marc71178 said:
no it doesn't, razzaq only slogs when he has to - he has the ability to build an innings at a steady rate aswell, again a career strikerate means next to nothing in justifying who is the superior player in the last 10 oversSteven2106 said:
yes he will pass cairns, but it is a well known fact that carins missed as much tests as he played(give or take) which makes it an even more remarkable achievement, whether flintoff will pass cairns after playing the same amount of tests as him i don't knowSteven2106 said:
