Would England have won the 2005 Ashes without ball tampering?

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Really don't remember that but my memory is shot so ill definitely bow to your knowledge

But Omfg.....imagine if we had we gone the trebor mints instead of the murrays??? Ashes history could look very very different.

Just as well our aussie mate Troy Cooley knew his mints and how to work the ball hey.

Given the laxative effect of trebor extra strong mints, England might have needed more sub fielders than just Gary Pratt if they'd taken that route rather than the murray mints. So yes, Ashes history would have looked very different. A greater risk of non-standard skid marks in the outfield, for example.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Given the laxative effect of trebor extra strong mints, England might have needed more sub fielders than just Gary Pratt if they'd taken that route rather than the murray mints. So yes, Ashes history would have looked very different. A greater risk of non-standard skid marks in the outfield, for example.

This might explaing all the running off the field to have a shower.

 

[Burgey]

A good point. You lot really can't handle defeat

Primarily because we aren't used to it.

 

[Burgey]

I tell you I love Tresco I really do.......but that was so **** of him talking about this in his book. If he hadn't no one would know this was even a thing and it would be just like any series anywhere where stuff like this happens ALL the time just it's not spoken about. Only time we know about it is if a player like Tresco spills his guts or dumb ****s like Bancroft and Afridi get caught on camera red handed.

Everyone knew it was a thing at the time though.

 

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Everyone knew it was a thing at the time though.

Not saying you're wrong, but the first mention of Murray Mints on CW was in reference to Tresco's biography: http://www.cricketweb.net/forum/threads/trescothick-in-cheating-revelation.39684/#post-1661008

I do vaguely recall this being discussed earlier than that though. Perhaps the identity of the offending confectionary was in doubt until Trescothick's revelations.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I don't remember if there was talk about mints or lollies exactly but there was definitely a lot of talk about the mysterious reverse swing that was suddenly occurring for England, and how early it was starting in the innings before the ball was even that old. I expect there would definitely been a subtext in most discussion by fans that something dodgy was going on.

I remember the occasional suggestion that Troy Cooley was some mastermind bowling coach that had worked magic with England's quicks through technical changes or something that is pretty laughable looking back

edit: Didn't Tresco lose a bunch of mints from his pocket in the field in one of the Tests which drew attention? Or was that a different series

 

[Daemon]

I suspect the mints were just a cover up for some actual proper tampering.

 

[GIMH]

Nathan Bracken accused us of using mints very soon after the series

 

[Aidan11]

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[Molehill]

edit: Didn't Tresco lose a bunch of mints from his pocket in the field in one of the Tests which drew attention? Or was that a different series

I don't recall that, but one infamous incident was in 2007, a boiled sweet was left at the crease when Zaheer Khan came in to bat. Totally backfired......

 

[TheJediBrah]

I found a quote:

 

[TheJediBrah]

I found a quote:

"As I dived to gather the ball at square leg [at Headingley in 2001], I landed on my side and a shower of Murray Mints spewed out of my trouser pocket all over the grass right in front of the umpire.

"Fortunately, neither he nor the two batsmen seemed to take much notice as I scrambled around on all fours trying desperately to gather in the sweets before they started asking awkward questions."

apparently from 2001. Which begs the question as to how it was somewhat of a secret in 2005

 

[Molehill]

I found a quote:



apparently from 2001. Which begs the question as to how it was somewhat of a secret in 2005

So if we assume that 4-5 years is the norm for cheating methods to be noticed, I think we can safely confirm that the Aussies were using sandpaper most of the way through the 2010's!!

 

[howitzer]

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So apparent Robert Pattinson had to beat off 3000 people to be in Twilight. That's a strenuous audition.

 

[Son Of Coco]

So apparent Robert Pattinson had to beat off 3000 people to be in Twilight. That's a strenuous audition.

Explains why his face was so white and he looked miserable.

 

[Kirkut]

Delicious would be putting it a bit far.
They're OK and very much the preserve of the middle aged and elderly customer

Murray mints or polo?

 

[Ashes81]

Murray mints or polo?

Polo mints all day every day for me

 

[Daemon]

I found a quote:



apparently from 2001. Which begs the question as to how it was somewhat of a secret in 2005

If they’d been doing it since 2001 then I don’t think it was working lol

 

[nightprowler10]

I can't believe we best these cheating poms 2-0 right after they had perfected the use of Murray mints.

 

[Aidan11]

Ha ha. Aussie fans can't get over losing a test series that happened nearly 20 years ago.