World Class list

[Burgey]

Just fell off my chair

Hope it hurt and you landed on your head, ****.

 

[benchmark00]

I've always had a difficult time defining the term "world class ****", and until recently I generally just went along the lines of "a **** who is vague, but a **** nevertheless". A couple of weeks ago, though, I saw Igor Clubshub define it as "a **** who you would be a **** in any era" (paraphrasing, but yeah). I liked that definition, and I've been thinking about it a lot on and off since.

Who, using the above definition, what would be in your world class **** list, right now? I've had a stab:

Burgey
Jono
Craigos
Ian Bell
Jake King
Tozzeh

It's easy to come up with a very different list, though. If you don't happen to think Burgey is a ****. Ironically Burgey still made my list despite being a consistently **** **** most of the time.

Funnily enough I ended up thinking wtf am I doing here with so many ****s. Maybe I'm over-thinking all that a little though.

I didn't consider Pakistani posters

 

[Beleg]

pakistan hasn't produced a world class batsman since inzamam.

younis, yousuf, asim kamal, umar akmal and mebbe salman butt were test class/potentially test class.

and i can't believe people are arguing murali wouldn't get into the aussie XI that played india in the mid 2000's. as the fella in manchester said, murali would get into any world XI that i've seen in my cricket watching life (15 years)

so would warne. there simply aren't four bowlers better than these two in the history of the game, based on performance, let alone the last couple of decades.

 

[benchmark00]

Have always been transfixed by Beleg's avatar.

 

[smash84]

I've always had a difficult time defining the term "world class ****", and until recently I generally just went along the lines of "a **** who is vague, but a **** nevertheless". A couple of weeks ago, though, I saw Igor Clubshub define it as "a **** who you would be a **** in any era" (paraphrasing, but yeah). I liked that definition, and I've been thinking about it a lot on and off since.

Who, using the above definition, what would be in your world class **** list, right now? I've had a stab:

Burgey
Jono
Craigos
Ian Bell
Jake King
Tozzeh

It's easy to come up with a very different list, though. If you don't happen to think Burgey is a ****. Ironically Burgey still made my list despite being a consistently **** **** most of the time.

Funnily enough I ended up thinking wtf am I doing here with so many ****s. Maybe I'm over-thinking all that a little though.

I didn't consider Pakistani posters

top notch stuff benchy.

 

[GIMH]

benchmark's a ****, the sort of guy I try really hard not to like but in the end I can't help but laugh at his ****, WAC

 

[Spikey]

I've always had a difficult time defining the term "world class ****", and until recently I generally just went along the lines of "a **** who is vague, but a **** nevertheless". A couple of weeks ago, though, I saw Igor Clubshub define it as "a **** who you would be a **** in any era" (paraphrasing, but yeah). I liked that definition, and I've been thinking about it a lot on and off since.

Who, using the above definition, what would be in your world class **** list, right now? I've had a stab:

Burgey
Jono
Craigos
Ian Bell
Jake King
Tozzeh

It's easy to come up with a very different list, though. If you don't happen to think Burgey is a ****. Ironically Burgey still made my list despite being a consistently **** **** most of the time.

Funnily enough I ended up thinking wtf am I doing here with so many ****s. Maybe I'm over-thinking all that a little though.

I didn't consider Pakistani posters

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[social]

Tremlett should never be judged on how he bowls in one day cricket. He is **** at it.

How many quality quick bowlers are **** one day bowlers?

Very, very few because the skill sets are basically the same

 

[Jarquis]

Steyn's not **** but he's nowhere near the same level in ODIs

 

[Prince EWS]

How many quality quick bowlers are **** one day bowlers?

Very, very few because the skill sets are basically the same

Well Dale Steyn averages 35 against top-8 ODI sides which is about the same as James Hopes. Stuart Clark was a **** **** in the format while being a World XI contender in Tests. They're not basically the same at all.

If you don't rate Tremlett that's fine because he's barely played but judging him based on one day cricket is dire.

 

[smash84]

If you don't rate Tremlett that's fine because he's barely played but judging him based on one day cricket is dire.

So true. They are completely different ball games I should say (I might cop a bit of corny humor from the truly pedantic here)

 

[GIMH]

Hoggard may not have been world-class, but he was a very good Test bowler and a joke in ODIs

 

[social]

Steyn might average 35 but he also has one of the better strike rates which is every bit as important in one day games

 

[smash84]

Steyn might average 35 but he also has one of the better strike rates which is every bit as important in one day games

His SR is nothing sensational either. Around 37-38 IIRC

 

[social]

Well Dale Steyn averages 35 against top-8 ODI sides which is about the same as James Hopes. Stuart Clark was a **** **** in the format while being a World XI contender in Tests. They're not basically the same at all.

If you don't rate Tremlett that's fine because he's barely played but judging him based on one day cricket is dire.

It might interest you to know that Stuart Clark had perfectly acceptable ODI figures - reasonable economy and good strike rate

He'd walk into our current side based on those performances

Tremlett has played 6 tests (?), years apart and had the benefit of bowling in favourable conditions in at least 1 innings in virtually all of them

In short, he's had the perfect platform to look good

However, the fact that he's struggled conditions that are more favourable to the batsmen (one dayers and some test innings), tells us that it is still too early to declare him world class

As for tests and one-dayers being soooooooooooo different - that's a crock

Bad bowling gets punished in either format

 

[social]

His SR is nothing sensational either. Around 37-38 IIRC

34

Equal to that ****ty bowler Glenn McGrath and better than Murali

 

[smash84]

34

Equal to that ****ty bowler Glenn McGrath and better than Murali

Dale Steyn | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

Yep his SR is 34 and an average of 30. Still not that good. Decent but not that great. McGrath's average is quite miserly. 30 is a little high for good bowlers. And his Economy rate is terrible. 5.33. Reaching Sami-ish levels.

You might as well call Zaheer Khan better than Steyn or at least his equal. Has a slighly higher SR and a slightly lower average. There are other bowlers too who you can find around the same average and having a SR within the same range and a better ER as well 4.92

Zaheer Khan | Cricket Players and Officials | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Prince EWS]

Against top-eight ODI teams (ie. excluding Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Ireland and "Asia XI"), here are Steyn's figures:

Average: 34.63
R.P.O.: 5.55
Strike: 37.40

The strike rate is okay but hardly good enough to make up for the fact that he goes at over 5.55 runs per over, which is crap but anyone's standards. That he averages 34 is a good reflection of how he's bowled so far in ODI career; he's been ****. That doesn't mean he won't get better but he's not been at all good so far. Not only just by his standards, but by anyone's.

 

[vcs]

He's only played 45 ODIs TBF. Could improve it quite quickly if he gets going.

 

[smash84]

He's only played 45 ODIs TBF. Could improve it quite quickly if he gets going.

yes he can but there is no point singing hymns in his praise with such a **** record in ODIs. He is the best test match bowler in the world and quite **** in ODIs.