Windies squad for the VB Series

[tooextracool]

Wavell Hinds has been pretty darn good recently, though yes, he's underachieved for much of his career. Opening all the time doesn't help, either..

and what part of his especially poor international career do you refer to?
and i would think that opening in ODIs doesnt really require too much technical prowess.

Powell is a certainty because the fact that he's totally rubbish doesn't seem to count for much and never has.

i scratch my head as to how someone who fails miserably series after series can still be a certainity. i would think that there are far better players in the WI capable of scoring consistently in ODIs.

 

[tooextracool]

As much as you would like it, I shan't argue with you as I don't like to start things that can't be stopped.

well of course you wouldnt, because there is no basis for arguing for players who average in the mid 20s or people who have had 2 good series in their entire career let alone these players being certainities in the side. picking wavell hinds is understandable since i assume hes been scoring prolifically at the domestic level, but i wouldnt go on to call him a certainity. powell on the other hand has been failing for too long to even be in the side, let alone a certainity.

 

[honestbharani]

I think bowling with a good economy rate in the middle overs is still a very appreciable effort, eventhough doing so in the death is more appreciable. If the bowlers who bowl well in the middle overs are not so good just because they don't bowl at the slog, does that mean that the Larsens of the world were crap bowlers?

 

[tooextracool]

I think bowling with a good economy rate in the middle overs is still a very appreciable effort, eventhough doing so in the death is more appreciable. If the bowlers who bowl well in the middle overs are not so good just because they don't bowl at the slog, does that mean that the Larsens of the world were crap bowlers?

it depends on how well they bowl in the middle. larsen for example was brilliant in the middle with an ER of 3.77. anything over 4 from bowling primarily in the middle overs cant be considered anything more than ordinary.

 

[roseboy64]

Powell isn't primarily there to score a huge amount of runs.It's mainly to score as many as possible as quickly as possible.If it was ever for his ability to score lots of runs he would have been out of the side a long time ago(though in his teenage years he did score a triple century and that's hard to do down here given the length of cricket games and the style in which they are played).

 

[tooextracool]

Powell isn't primarily there to score a huge amount of runs.It's mainly to score as many as possible as quickly as possible.If it was ever for his ability to score lots of runs he would have been out of the side a long time ago(though in his teenage years he did score a triple century and that's hard to do down here given the length of cricket games and the style in which they are played).

i cant believe that any batsman can be in the side without being able to score enough runs.....
if he wasnt required to score more runs, he wouldnt have been promoted up the order for the number of times that he has.

 

[Tom Halsey]

i cant believe that any batsman can be in the side without being able to score enough runs

In an ODI, I'd take a 50 off 30 over a 100 off 150 (depending on circumstances of course).

 

[Tom Halsey]

it depends on how well they bowl in the middle. larsen for example was brilliant in the middle with an ER of 3.77. anything over 4 from bowling primarily in the middle overs cant be considered anything more than ordinary.

Not in this day and age - anything from 4 to 4.5 is still above average - although I see where yuo're coming from from 5 years oir more ago.

 

[tooextracool]

In an ODI, I'd take a 50 off 30 over a 100 off 150 (depending on circumstances of course).

yes but someone like powell has scored 2 50s in the last 5 years against against ODI class opposition. that is clearly not good enough.

 

[tooextracool]

Not in this day and age - anything from 4 to 4.5 is still above average - although I see where yuo're coming from from 5 years oir more ago.

i dont know about that, anything above 4.5 for a bowler capable of bowling in the death isnt particularly brilliant, so i wouldnt really be proud of someone who goes at 4.2 runs an over without bowling at the death or in the 15.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

i kno this aint the place for this but i cant seem to catch liam online. liam is the north south classic on the 16-19 in the north team whu is this leron lezama.ive never heard of him.is this the right name

Only just saw this post...

To be honest I've never heard of him. Are you sure he's not the manager?

 

[roseboy64]

yes but someone like powell has scored 2 50s in the last 5 years against against ODI class opposition. that is clearly not good enough.

Powell is supposed to just pad up the score.(Chris Read aganist Collymore like)He's an attacking batsman and that's what he's supposed to be in that role.Guys like Lara and Gayle and Sarwan,etc. are suppsoed to make most of the runs.

 

[tooextracool]

Powell is supposed to just pad up the score.(Chris Read aganist Collymore like)He's an attacking batsman and that's what he's supposed to be in that role.Guys like Lara and Gayle and Sarwan,etc. are suppsoed to make most of the runs.

chris read is the wicket keeper, his primary job is to keep wickets and then to score runs.
powell is picked for his batting ability, you dont pick someone solely for his scoring 20 runs of 10 balls once in ever 2 games.

 

[Richard]

and what part of his especially poor international career do you refer to?

Hmm... I've been deceived by Liam... something he mentioned a little while back... in the last year he's played 3 authentic ODIs, scoring 15, 5 and 3... nonetheless I don't think anyone doubted his place.

and i would think that opening in ODIs doesnt really require too much technical prowess.

No, not anywhere near as much as it does in Tests, but still it's different to batting three and IMO Hinds is better at three than two.

i scratch my head as to how someone who fails miserably series after series can still be a certainity. i would think that there are far better players in the WI capable of scoring consistently in ODIs.

So would I but nonetheless the selectors persist with him time after time.

 

[tooextracool]

Hmm... I've been deceived by Liam... something he mentioned a little while back... in the last year he's played 3 authentic ODIs, scoring 15, 5 and 3... nonetheless I don't think anyone doubted his place.

hes still got a lot to prove as to whether hes good enough to be playing ODI cricket, let alone being a certainity in the side.

No, not anywhere near as much as it does in Tests, but still it's different to batting three and IMO Hinds is better at three than two.

i dont see too much off a difference. IMO the higher up the order you bat, the better off you are because you've got time to build and pace your innings and you've got all 15 overs with the field up. with the pitches in ODIs only getting flatter, i dont see how hinds can be effected by seam movement or whatever it is that will trouble him if he bats at 2.

 

[Richard]

hes still got a lot to prove as to whether hes good enough to be playing ODI cricket, let alone being a certainity in the side.

Yes, I agree entirely.
Nonetheless I'd have been extremely surprised had he been omitted and so, I think, would most people with an interest in the squad.

i dont see too much off a difference. IMO the higher up the order you bat, the better off you are because you've got time to build and pace your innings and you've got all 15 overs with the field up. with the pitches in ODIs only getting flatter, i dont see how hinds can be effected by seam movement or whatever it is that will trouble him if he bats at 2.

Swing.
Simple as. The white-ball only swings for 10 overs or so, and if he's coming in right at the top he's gotta face the swinging ball (in case you haven't noticed - unlikely, I think - he's always had big problems with the ball swinging back late into his pads) for a little while.
If he's coming in after 13-14 overs or so he probably won't have to face it at all, and if he's coming in after 8-9 overs he'll have to face it only for a few deliveries.
There's still a difference between opening and three - even in ODIs.

 

[tooextracool]

Swing.
Simple as. The white-ball only swings for 10 overs or so, and if he's coming in right at the top he's gotta face the swinging ball (in case you haven't noticed - unlikely, I think - he's always had big problems with the ball swinging back late into his pads) for a little while.
If he's coming in after 13-14 overs or so he probably won't have to face it at all, and if he's coming in after 8-9 overs he'll have to face it only for a few deliveries.
There's still a difference between opening and three - even in ODIs.

oh commone now, there isnt considerable swing to trouble him with the new white ball.
and i know that hinds struggles against the moving ball, as anybody with that technique would. but if you look at his record, its actually better opening than it is at 3, although not significantly.

 

[Richard]

Quite a bit of which is thanks to these games here, is my philosophy.
Haven't actually calculated his average, but aside from those three dead Australia games I can't remember him doing well when opening once.
Though he has had his moments when he's batted three and I always thought I'd like to see more of him there.

 

[tooextracool]

Quite a bit of which is thanks to these games here, is my philosophy.
Haven't actually calculated his average, but aside from those three dead Australia games I can't remember him doing well when opening once.
Though he has had his moments when he's batted three and I always thought I'd like to see more of him there.

then you missed :
54 2 caught 1 L Carlton S 3 v Aus in Aus 2000/01 at Brisbane (d/n) [1670]
60 1 caught 2 L Carlton S F2 v Aus in Aus 2000/01 at Melbourne (d/n) [1687]
93 1 caught wk 2 W 1st ODI v Ind in Ind 2002/03 at Jamshedpur
80 2 caught 2 W 5th ODI v Ind in Ind 2002/03 at Vadodara

 

[Richard]

OK, not much apart from them.