Why is it viewed as more important

[Socerer 01]

Isn't that literally what everyone would do, to everyone, about everything lol

in online debates where each person thinks their view is objectively superior and with the politically stubborn groups irl? sure

its not that common in other aspects of life especially irl

 

[subshakerz]

I have no issues with Imran, unlike Subz who through every player he attacks, be it Ambrose, Kallis, or Steyn, it's directly related to players who the forum rates ahead of or even close to Imran.

Just a quick point to say that my Lara critique has nothing to do with Imran.

 

[subshakerz]

For instance, the repeated insistence in calling his average of 28 in India bad, while ignoring that the 1987 series he played there was one of the most batter friendly series ever played and 4 of the 5 tests were drawn. Kapil struggled massively too.

We have all tried to warn @kyear2 it's not his rating but his double standards criteria that we can't swallow. Nobody cares where he ranks Imran or whoever. There may be posters who rank Imran lower or higher.

So he will dock Imran in your example but then finds excuses for Steyn's high averages on flat wickets or calls Ambrose in Pakistan (15 wickets in 5 tests @25) proof of his prowess in the SC. It's all just flatly wrong.

 

[Bolo.]

What's your take on that 16/17 run calculation kyear? If it's correct I think extra batting/bowling is definitely more useful in a typical game

 

[ankitj]

I do have to comment on @OverratedSanity though. I'm sure we agree on very little, and definely not this. But he's reasonable and fair and doesn't enter the conversation with a preconceived conclusion and doesn't distort the argument.

You don't know what a **** @OverratedSanity is. LoL.

 

[honestbharani]

You don't know what a **** @OverratedSanity is. LoL.

He uses his many IDs very wisely tbf.

 

[subshakerz]

1. Says who? They never needed one? How many series did they lose because they were lacking one? Marshall averaging 10 more runs an innings would have made them better somehow?

And the manufactured argument about if Imran was in the WI squad they would have been better, is a srawman argument. That was never argued.

 

[subshakerz]

None of the last couple posts even had anything to do with Imran, expect the retorts from the human troll, but not you.

Not sure if it is trollish, but I do get a sick pleasure out of a poster in an argument having to resort to personal insults when they know they lost or have been caught out for their hypocrisy.

Btw, ATG games = low-scoring = runs more important = bowling ARs more important, can you respond to this please? You haven't yet given a rebuttal.

 

[TheJediBrah]

I have another one. Lower scoring games, where you don't usually need a 5th bowler, are more important in general because you'll get a result out of them. Higher scoring games where you might want a 5th bowler more are more likely to be draws that you get nothing out of so what's the point.

 

[Socerer 01]

Not sure if it is trollish, but I do get a sick pleasure out of a poster in an argument having to resort to personal insults when they know they lost or have been caught out for their hypocrisy.

 

[ataraxia]

I have another one. Lower scoring games, where you don't usually need a 5th bowler, are more important in general because you'll get a result out of them. Higher scoring games where you might want a 5th bowler more are more likely to be draws that you get nothing out of so what's the point.

But remember if an ATG top order fails then Imran will hardly be able to do a thing!

 

[peterhrt]

What's your take on that 16/17 run calculation kyear? If it's correct I think extra batting/bowling is definitely more useful in a typical game

16 or 17 runs per match doesn't sound much. But it is the equivalent of picking a batsman averaging 42 instead of one averaging 50.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Not sure if it is trollish, but I do get a sick pleasure out of a poster in an argument having to resort to personal insults when they know they lost or have been caught out for their hypocrisy.

Hmmmm but how do you explain my boy Xix doing it at the start of an argument before anyone has had the chance to be wrong yet

 

[subshakerz]

I have another one. Lower scoring games, where you don't usually need a 5th bowler, are more important in general because you'll get a result out of them. Higher scoring games where you might want a 5th bowler more are more likely to be draws that you get nothing out of so what's the point.

Draws or the opposition has scored high enough that you will lose. Fair point.

Hmmmm but how do you explain my boy Xix doing it at the start of an argument before anyone has had the chance to be wrong yet

Can only speak for myself.

 

[Bolo.]

16 or 17 runs per match doesn't sound much. But it is the equivalent of picking a batsman averaging 42 instead of one averaging 50.

A bit less than this on the average delta if you want to calculate it this way. A bat doesn't get dismissed 4 times every game.

I think it's still reasonably valuable, and will swing the odd game. But I don't think it's likely to be as important as the other secondary disciplines.

Having more than one great plus one good slip is going to give you some seriously diminishing returns.

 

[Starfighter]

How the hell is this still going?

 

[TheJediBrah]

How the hell is this still going?

Bro wanted to pick a fight and he got it

 

[kyear2]

It's not more valuable than batting or bowling. To pretend otherwise is to lie. Sorry, but you've been on this ridiculous point for far too long and it's been bizarre how you would do anything but acknowledge this.

Just because you disagree it's not a lie. There's been a lot of false narratives going around on this forum and it's ridiculous.

Cricket has three components, batting bowling and fielding. Yes, fielding cannot be a primary skills or criteria, but it's a vital part of the game. It bothers me not in the slightest if you agree or not.

Was reading through a match report up to last night from a match, India vs the WI, where it was list due to apparently no less than 8 drops. Pakistan just lost a test series because of one man in the cordon, I posted an article showing how, not only has it lost teams series, but was a major feature of two dynasties.
Apparently Bob Simpson made his test debut die to no small part because of his catching, I know Carl Hooper kept his pace for as long as consistently as he did because if his catching, for Waugh it was also a safety net.
A team cannot achieve consistent success home and away without a viable cordon.

The skills of Waugh, Sobers, Ponting, Kallis, Simpson, Botham, Hooper etc has changed matches and series. The constant disregard is hilarious.

 

[subshakerz]

Just because you disagree it's not a lie. There's been a lot of false narratives going around on this forum and it's ridiculous.

Cricket has three components, batting bowling and fielding. Yes, fielding cannot be a primary skills or criteria, but it's a vital part of the game. It bothers me not in the slightest if you agree or not.

Was reading through a match report up to last night from a match, India vs the WI, where it was list due to apparently no less than 8 drops. Pakistan just lost a test series because of one man in the cordon, I posted an article showing how, not only has it lost teams series, but was a major feature of two dynasties.
Apparently Bob Simpson made his test debut die to no small part because of his catching, I know Carl Hooper kept his pace for as long as consistently as he did because if his catching, for Waugh it was also a safety net.
A team cannot achieve consistent success home and away without a viable cordon.

The skills of Waugh, Sobers, Ponting, Kallis, Simpson, Botham, Hooper etc has changed matches and series. The constant disregard is hilarious.

Legit questions, would you give extra points to pacers who had outright poor cordons, the same case as flat pitches?

 

[trundler]

How the hell is this still going?

Yeah the Imran slander has been decisively debunked along with the suggestion that lower order runs aren't vital. But I suppose some people have a humiliation kink.