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Why do England struggle to produce undisputedly great players?

Shri

Mr. Glass
How come you missed 2010 and 2010/11 from your analysis?

Comparing seasons like that is daft anyway. 2011/12 for example for Anderson was 5 Tests in Asia, which is a completely different prospect as a seamer to a home summer for Steyn or Hilfenhaus.
1. Not intentionally, I could add it.

2. I admitted as much and was only looking for patterns in the stats that might give us a reason that made sense for why Anderson never seems to stay in our minds even when he does well. Maybe we should check the records and see if he is conclusively better than Broad first, I dunno.

3. 2011/12 was Philander's year as a bowler. It was the kind of year that modern ATGs have in their prime sometimes. Anderson didn't matter that year because everyone saw and remembers how good Philander was in that year. And wrt Hilfy, I thought Australia was a road? This flip flopping to suit arguments thing is irritating. And Hilfy was the kind of bowler who relied more on swing than anything else as a bowler so if that was the result of his time as a bowler in Australia, its only more impressive, not less.
 

Burgey

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Things Shakib Al Hasan has accomplished that no other Australian ever has:

- Taken 7 wickets in an innings against New Zealand
- A hundred and a five-for in the same test twice (no Aussie has done it more than once)
- Average >50 with the bat and <30 with the ball against the West Indies
- Take 100 wickets in Tests as a left arm spinner
- Hold the world Number 1 Allrounder Ranking in all three formats

Richie Benaud scored 3 centuries and took 16 five wicket hauls in 63 tests. Shakib has 3 centuries and 14 five wicket hauls in just 42. And he's got a couple of tests coming up at home against England - a side that wishes they could produce a player of half his quality. And he's only 29.

If Shakib was unfortunate enough to be an Aussie, you'd be all over him.
My apologies, I hadn't seen this earlier. I saw you'd posted and my eyes glazed over as they normally do.

That might be old age tbf.

Let's deal with these points one by one.

- No Australian has taken seven wickets in an innings against NZ because we usually have more than one test class bowler, and they all get in on the act. Not so Bangladesh, who have Shakib who's been good for them (and exceptional by their tawdry standards) and the rest of an attack which makes Chris Matthews look like Wasim Akram.

- Once against a Pakistan side, which I will grant you. The other Zimbabwe. Come on, they're a club side at best. A joke.

- See above comment about Zimbabwe

- Only because TOTAB under-bowled himself. As a rule, we don't do much finger spinning here for reasons which I've well documented in the past

- These are the same world rankings which saw Australia elevated to number one ODI playing country about four months after India won the WC in 2011. They're a helpful guide but nothing else.

A quarter of his tests have been played against Zimbabwe and WI. It's embarrassing that he's held in any significant regard. Averages 25, 19 and 20 against England, India and SA. That's batting btw. Hasn't had the good fortune to come here and average three yet.

Benaud, by way of contrast, made his hundreds against a Windies side which was extremely competitive and his other two away against SA. There's no comparison here. Al Hasan isn't fit to carry Richie's jock strap.

If Shakib Al Hasan was Australian, he'd be making his NSW Second XI trial game debut tomorrow with such luminaries as Nick Bertus (good bloke though Nick is).
 

Burgey

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Shakib has a five-wicket haul against every side he has played a Test against.

He's also really well balanced everywhere he plays:

In Africa *- 26.9 with the bat, 26.57 with the ball
In Americas** - 53 with the bat (The same as Allan Border ftr), 18.76 with the ball
In Asia - 41 with the bat, 35 with the ball
In Oceania*** - 78 with the bat, 59 with the ball

His only blip is in Europe - 13 with the bat and 34 with the ball. But that's probably because a stud like him was too distracted by the fine ladies of the British-Bengali community to focus on playing a second-rate side like England.
*Includes 6 tests against Zimbabwe ffs.

** This means the West Indies, a team whose fall from grace makes The Bonfire of the Vanities seem like a minor hiccup.

*** You mean NZ, unless Samoa has recently been granted test playing status. Mind you, if they were I've little doubt the Bangers would play them quite a lot.
 
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Burgey

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How can you say that about Abbott? I admit Rudd was dull but he at least got some of his agenda through. Abbott was so bad the 2014 Budget still hasn't passed parliament, but the bloke ate a raw onion on TV. Come on, mate. That's not boring. Embarrassing, sure. But hardly boring.
 

GIMH

Norwood's on Fire
What a great read but the key observations I would make are:

I don't eat Fish & Chips
Yorkshire Puddings though. As if they could ever be a negative
Gravy with everything, thanks
 

mr_mister

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Shakib has a five-wicket haul against every side he has played a Test against.

He's also really well balanced everywhere he plays:

In Africa - 26.9 with the bat, 26.57 with the ball
In Americas - 53 with the bat (The same as Allan Border ftr), 18.76 with the ball
In Asia - 41 with the bat, 35 with the ball
In Oceania - 78 with the bat, 59 with the ball

His only blip is in Europe - 13 with the bat and 34 with the ball. But that's probably because a stud like him was too distracted by the fine ladies of the British-Bengali community to focus on playing a second-rate side like England.
ummm i've never seen a more transparent attempt to disguise something - you're naming continents not countries!
 

Howe_zat

Audio File
Sadly, a group of five CSIRO scientists invented wifi, which means ****wits like you can post **** like that from almost anywhere in the world, even Chennai.

Those same five genii are currently working on a portable sense of humour which they're hoping to export your way soon. **** knows, you need it.

Among Australia's other contributions to the world, which have largely come about due to the natural advantages this great island continent enjoys as per my post which you kindly quoted, are:

The notepad - I don't mean the cheap, portable computers you lot churn out over there at forty bucks a pop using underpaid child labour, I mean the note pad people write on.
The self-propelled stump-jump plough
The surf ski
The tank
Allan Border
The Rotary Hoe
The Dethridge Wheel
Zinc Cream - copied by pretender cricket nations ever since
The Electronic Pacemaker (subsequently installed extensively into Indian cricketers in an attempt to make up for their own cardiac failings). It's a little known fact the pacemaker was originally modelled on Allan Border's ticker, but when placed into the chest cavity of normal human beings not named Peter Siddle, it caused their hearts to explode. Thereafter, a scaled down model went into widespread production.
The coupe utility
Penicillin - the Poms claim this, but everyone knows it was Florey who found the medicinal use for it. Otherwise, we'd all just sit around looking at it saying "What's this fungus?"
Splayds
The orbital internal combustion engine
Plastic glasses lenses.
Ricky Ponting
The Hills Hoist
Solar hot water. Not real helpful in England, but handy elsewhere
Power boards. Seriously, top five inventions of the 20th century. Up there with the powered golf cart.
Super soppers - it's a scientific fact that before this Australian invention, no cricket had ever been played in England or New Zealand.
Inflatable escape slides, invented primarily to allow people to escape from your company at dinner parties.
The black box flight recorder
The bionic ear, which usefully has an "off" switch so umpires can avoid listening to Indian cricketers appeal every ball
Dual flush toilets (later adapted to triple flush, with "half", "full" and "honestbharani" levels of faecal flushing power)
Sonar - often used on submarines, but also to try and locate the Indian cricket supporter's sense of humour, apparently lost at the bottom of the Marianas Trench (not the Indy rock band, the actual Marianas Trench).
Frozen Embryo Babies.
Ryan Harris
Ryan Harris' artifical knees
The baby safety capsule - plainly developed too late to prevent your closed head injury as a youngster
The polymer bank note - favoured by illegal Indian bookmakers the world over
The Frazier Lens - has enormous depth of field and can therefore spot a long running sitcom from miles away
Jindalee Radar System
The electric drill
Google Maps
Richie Benaud
Spray-on skin for burns victims
The ultrasound scanner
The boomerang
Pre-paid postage
The fridge
Powered flight
The wine cask (aka the Mooree Handbag)
Cervical Cancer Vaccine
A blood test to prevent stillbirth (there's such a good line there at your expense, but I won't go there)
The digital sampler (yep, we're to blame for techno. Sorry,everyone)
Anti-flu vaccines
Stop shot glass.

And these are just the inventions, not the greats from the field of artistic endeavour who have blazed a trail across the world, leaving the rest of the cricket playing nations in their wake. Our contributions are legion, for they are many. You just need to accept these things mate. It's ok. Really. It is.
The English invented all of this, by way of having invented Australia.

#trasitiveproperty
#science
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
Ftr ive never eaten a yorkshire pudding nor fish n chips for breakfast.........why would you when thats the time for pork sausages (aussies wouldnt know a decent "snag" if one banged them up the arse) black pudding, kippers, oh and of course baked beans.

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PS, I'd like you to pass on my thanks to whatever client of yours has been paying you to regale us in this thread today. It was completely dire until your input and the last pages have been very entertaining. Top work Burgey.
Who the **** puts baked beans on a breakfast?
 

Furball

Evil Scotsman
**** imagine the rant I could go on if the superior part of the British Isles had decided to take cricket seriously instead of inventing the entire modern world.

Our produce is also better than Australia's ftr. Top_Cat to comment on Scottish fruit.
 

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