Why do Australians get special treatment?

[Son Of Coco]

No one is asking questions about the cricketing abilities of the Australian team.

No they're not, but I think the tall-poppy syndrome is alive and well in countries other than Aust. Certainly, some people have an issue with the treatment respective sides get punishment-wise in the game, but for others this is just another chance to have a go at a team/country they have an obvious dislike for.

 

[Swervy]

No they're not, but I think the tall-poppy syndrome is alive and well in countries other than Aust. Certainly, some people have an issue with the treatment respective sides get punishment-wise in the game, but for others this is just another chance to have a go at a team/country they have an obvious dislike for.

indeed....but I also think that this anti Australian (and also anti England) thing that is all over the place runs a bit deeper than just a reaction to the success of these teams....and I will say no more on that front

 

[Dasa]

^Please elaborate. I'm interested to hear your theory on this 'anti Australian' thing.

 

[Swervy]

^Please elaborate. I'm interested to hear your theory on this 'anti Australian' thing.

I have nothing more to say on it.(edit: I obviously do have more to say on it..see below )

Its just there appears to be a lot of people starting threads on this forum with a definate tinge of anti Australia/England sentiment...and yet very few threads started which are an obvious baiting of the supporters of sub continental teams. Now I dont really know what the motivation for a number of these threads are, seeing as they are being started when nothing really should have provoked it.

And it isnt just on this forum, it happens on many cricket sites.

it just gets a bit tiresome constantly seeing Australian players are a bunch of bastards,cheats etc and England dont deserve their success etc on this forum, when its obvious that very little thought has been put into those postings...it seems to me that a large number of the 'anti Australian' contingent seem to deal with wishy washy one eyed 'non-facts' and the majority of the guys trying to defend the evil Australian team or the crappy England team are just dealing in facts.

 

[Dasa]

Hmm I see your point, however, I think you should look at it from 'our' point of view. It seems to many subcontinentals (from here on referred to as Asians - easier to type) that there is an obvious bias against them and their countries. I don't know what it quite, maybe just a sense that there is still not equality. However, we may be oversensitive about these things. I know in my case I certainly may be a bit too sensitive, but then again, I have had to put up with significant racism because of my race.

 

[Swervy]

Hmm I see your point, however, I think you should look at it from 'our' point of view. It seems to many subcontinentals (from here on referred to as Asians - easier to type) that there is an obvious bias against them and their countries. I don't know what it quite, maybe just a sense that there is still not equality. However, we may be oversensitive about these things. I know in my case I certainly may be a bit too sensitive, but then again, I have had to put up with significant racism because of my race.

the thing is, this is all a self perpetuating beast....'asians' take things as being against them all the time,react with an anti-Australian thread, the Australians will react (whether aggrssively or defensively) and one or two will say something anti-Asian...which will provoke a similar reaction from the Asians...and so continues the cycle.

Now I dont beleive these days the Asian teams are dealt with in any different way that the Aussies or the English or SA's or WI's, or New Zealanders,and I dont beleive racism is a problem in the slightest at the authority level.

Dasa, just one question,where do you see that there is no equality in the game of cricket at the moment. Unfortunately this is a serious enough issue to not warrent 'i have a feeling or a hunch' as a valid answer....i personally havent seen any difference in the way an Indian player is dealt with by the ICC compared to how an Aussie player is dealt with.

This mistrust must stop somewhere

 

[Dasa]

I wouldn't say no equality, however, when I first heard of the whole Mike Denness affair, my first thought was racism. That's probably the one major thing that seemed to me to be quite unfair.
I suppose the whole Murali debate doesn't help things either. Perhaps it's just coincidental that a major issue was made out of his action in Australia (I'm sure others had murmurs about his action before, and I'm sure he was looked at closely in other countries), but Murali did become a major controversy on his first tour of Australia - blame the jingoistic Aussie media for that if you will, but it certainly hasn't helped the perception that there is racism.

An addendum - how refreshing to have a civil discussion on matters such as this. Too often emotive responses degenerate into crap.

 

[aussie_beater]

Aussie beater please get the facts straight, it was during an investigation Warne and Waugh were asked if they had recieved money from bookmakers and they said they had and the reasons why. That is a fact that it was during an INVESTIGATION. The ICC were informed immediately and the players were fined for what they did.

So once again without researching the facts another baseless claim about Australia is spewed forth.

And what were the details of that investigation ? Did they talk to any law enforcement agencies in SL or the SL board about this. They did an investigation without talking to anyone. What kind of investigation was that ? Did they enlist the Aussie secret services to get the info ....Give me a break....Shed your naivete or tinted glasses(whichever it is) and accept that it was a cover up by the Aussie board....nothing less.

 

[Sanz]

and.........on the other hand, how do you know it wasn't only the weather thing?

Because there is weather.com for people who want to know only about weather.

 

[aussie_beater]

and.........on the other hand, how do you know it wasn't only the weather thing?

I don't know and I want to know. And the Aussie board tried its best to cover it up without properly investigating. That's the reason I am not going to believe what they say.

 

[Mister Wright]

Because there is weather.com for people who want to know only about weather.

lol

 

[aussie_beater]

well he doesnt does he...so he will just avoid answering the question.

What you on about ? I have stated my position on this issue clear enough in the above posts.

 

[Swervy]

I don't know and I want to know. And the Aussie board tried its best to cover it up without properly investigating. That's the reason I am not going to believe what they say.

well one would suspect that you would have a similar view about the Aussies if they had, in your eyes, been perfectly up front about it all.

 

[Swervy]

What you on about ? I have stated my position on this issue clear enough in the above posts.

you seem dismiss the idea completely that Warne and Waugh actually may have only given info..and not fixed any matches

 

[Scallywag]

And what were the details of that investigation ? Did they talk to any law enforcement agencies in SL or the SL board about this. They did an investigation without talking to anyone. What kind of investigation was that ? Did they enlist the Aussie secret services to get the info ....Give me a break....Shed your naivete or tinted glasses(whichever it is) and accept that it was a cover up by the Aussie board....nothing less.

The ACB made the results of the investigation available to the ICC and they dealt with it, I'm sorry aussie_beater did'nt they deliver a copy to you. Have you got new information to add or do you expect ACB to have an investigation every time you cant be bothered using the internet to research because its easier just to make up things.

 

[aussie_beater]

well one would suspect that you would have a similar view about the Aussies if they had, in your eyes, been perfectly up front about it all.

And what seems to suggest that I would be suspicious in that case ? Just because I don't seem to agree with what the ACB had to say about the matter ? Keep your prejudices at home, pal and smell the coffee.

 

[aussie_beater]

you seem dismiss the idea completely that Warne and Waugh actually may have only given info..and not fixed any matches

I am not dismissing anything...All I am asking is why a proper investigation involving the SL board and other involved parties not done about the matter.

 

[aussie_beater]

The ACB made the results of the investigation available to the ICC and they dealt with it, I'm sorry aussie_beater did'nt they deliver a copy to you. Have you got new information to add or do you expect ACB to have an investigation every time you cant be bothered using the internet to research because its easier just to make up things.

Why didn't the ACB talk to SL board about the issue ? Did you or the Aussie media ever ask that question ? That makes people, who don't have a predisposed belief that Warne and Waugh cannot do such a thing, to be suspicious and think that the whole so-called investigation was a cover up.

 

[Swervy]

And what seems to suggest that I would be suspicious in that case ? Just because I don't seem to agree with what the ACB had to say about the matter ? Keep your prejudices at home, pal and smell the coffee.

I am basing this assumption on the fact that I cant remeber one single post you have made on this forum which has a single positive slant on anything to do with Australia...infact look at your name 'aussie beater'...so fogive me if I have misjudged you in anyway, but you do seem to take an anti-Australian stance on pretty much everything

 

[Scallywag]

Why didn't the ACB talk to SL board about the issue ? Did you or the Aussie media ever ask that question ? That makes people, who don't have a predisposed belief that Warne and Waugh cannot do such a thing, to be suspicious and think that the whole so-called investigation was a cover up.

How do you know that the Acb didnt talk the SL board, you didnt even know there was an investigation and now you know what they did and didnt do.

Try using google.