Who was the best player of 90s Era?

[Johan]

Can someone post Ambrose and Sachins stats for the 90s including team by team records, home and way etc. Sorry if that's asking too much.

Curtly Ambrose

Sachin Tendulkar

 

[Pap Finn Keighl]

Akram and Sachin.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Tendulkar

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Top 4 teams of the 90s were Aus, RSA, Pak and WI. Against the other 3 teams, Amby was good to great. Sachin great vs Aus and WI but mediocre vs Pak and RSA. Edge to Ambrose for me.

 

[subshakerz]

You need both consistency and ATG series, think Ambrose has both in suffecient amount, while Lara was lacking in extended excellence.

Ambrose wasnt consistently excellent after 94. He was a reduced force. Kinda think you need to be top game most of the decade to say you own it.

 

[Johan]

Ambrose wasnt consistently excellent after 94. He was a reduced force. Kinda think you need to be top game most of the decade to say you own it.

Ambrose from 95-99 was a reduced force but still elite, it wasn't Lara esque for me to subtract a lot.

 

[subshakerz]

Top 4 teams of the 90s were Aus, RSA, Pak and WI. Against the other 3 teams, Amby was good to great. Sachin great vs Aus and WI but mediocre vs Pak and RSA. Edge to Ambrose for me.

Tendulkar played one series against Pak. SA yes mixed bag.

And how was Ambrose good against Pakistan? He underperformed in two out of the three series he faced against them. Against SA was a middling series thanks to injury.

It's really only Aus.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Top 4 teams of the 90s were Aus, RSA, Pak and WI. Against the other 3 teams, Amby was good to great. Sachin great vs Aus and WI but mediocre vs Pak and RSA. Edge to Ambrose for me.

I think it's a bit silly to say that. Sachin played them thrice in the 90s and played literally his Greatest innings Ever in that Series. Calling it mediocre is pure average reading imho.

 

[subshakerz]

Ambrose from 95-99 was a reduced force but still elite, it wasn't Lara esque for me to subtract a lot.

Ambrose wasnt elite 95 to 99. Lara was worse though in his off phase yes.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Didn’t Sachin have a good series against Pak on rank turners in the 90s?

 

[subshakerz]

Calling it mediocre is pure average reading imho.

Many of the argument for Ambrose are like that.

For example, he says Ambrose succeeded against Pakistan in the 90s, while taking 24 wickets in 8 games at a high SR.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Didn’t Sachin have a good series against Pak on rank turners in the 90s?

An innings really, but it was a 3 matcher.

 

[Johan]

Ambrose wasnt elite 95 to 99. Lara was worse though in his off phase yes.

He still came up against Australia and a diminished England pretty well in that phase, other than bowling less against B tier teams and an injury influenced tour of South Africa (averaged 23), there isn't much wrong with it.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I already am feeling I took the wrong side in a debate regarding Ambrose with Subs present....

 

[Sliferxxxx]

Tendulkar played one series against Pak. SA yes mixed bag.

And how was Ambrose good against Pakistan? He underperformed in two out of the three series he faced against them. Against SA was a middling series thanks to injury.

It's really only Aus.

Ambrose overall:

averaged 24 vs Pak sr 63= good
averaged 19 vs RSA sr 53 = great
averaged 21 vs Aus sr 54= great

If you want to make the case that Ambrose underperformed or whatever overall vs Pak/RSA because my guest but he was far from poor. Sachin was downright poor vs RSA.

 

[subshakerz]

He still came up against Australia and a diminished England pretty well in that phase, other than bowling less against B tier teams and an injury influenced tour of South Africa (averaged 23), there isn't much wrong with it.

Spanked in Pakistan. But anyways the rest of the decade was pretty quiet for him, no real big budget performances he was known for in the early 90s.

 

[subshakerz]

I already am feeling I took the wrong side in a debate regarding Ambrose with Subs present....

You otherwise reflexively take the opposite side to me, is it?

 

[Sliferxxxx]

I think it's a bit silly to say that. Sachin played them thrice in the 90s and played literally his Greatest innings Ever in that Series. Calling it mediocre is pure average reading imho.

Great innings does not negate the performance overall. However it was only 3 test, so I choose to ignore Pakistan. He was poor vs RSA though even with a couple great innings.

 

[subshakerz]

Ambrose overall:

averaged 24 vs Pak sr 63= good
averaged 19 vs RSA sr 53 = great
averaged 21 vs Aus sr 54= great

If you want to make the case that Ambrose underperformed or whatever overall vs Pak/RSA because my guest but he was far from poor. Sachin was downright poor vs RSA.

I never said Ambrose was poor. I would call him middling versus Pakistan. You could argue Tendulkar was the same vs SA.

Ambrose vs SA I forgot he had a great clutch test in 92.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

He still came up against Australia and a diminished England pretty well in that phase, other than bowling less against B tier teams and an injury influenced tour of South Africa (averaged 23), there isn't much wrong with it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Ambrose's 90s vs Pak and RSA he was good overall.