Who is the best since Bradman?

[Johan]

His record being just better has like, extremely significantly to do with his one India and two Pakistan tours. Both have similar records in England, Lillee stampede NZ, both around the same at home and Marshall's Australia record while Great, wasn't more so than other ATGs. Lillee also was top tier for longer and has a higher WPM. Marshall demolishing Great batting units in roads is what really separates him from Lillee and is the main reason I rate him over McGrath and Hadlee.

Macko is better in England, Macko is better in Australia than Lillee in windies WSC included, Macko is better at home than Lillee at home etc take out the india tours and I still have Macko higher

 

[Qlder]

You could criticize him for his record all you want (no matter in how outlandishly unjust manner), but you can't deny that's a Really solid point which we all agree upon and hence rate Marshall over Lillee

Except Marshall debuted in 1978 and yet did nothing while Lillee was top of the World. It seems all these so called ATG better bowlers than Lillee only did it after Lillee safely retired to avoid any further direct comparison

 

[capt_Luffy]

Macko is better in England, Macko is better in Australia than Lillee in windies WSC included, Macko is better at home than Lillee at home etc take out the india tours and I still have Macko higher

But much closer etc. (Also I think Lillee is equal/ahead in England. Maco played weaker batting units comparatively)

 

[Johan]

But much closer etc. (Also I think Lillee is equal/ahead in England. Maco played weaker batting units comparatively)

do you want me to adjust the averages

 

[capt_Luffy]

do you want me to adjust the averages

Doesn't adjusted average leads to Hoggard>Lillee??

 

[Johan]

Doesn't adjusted average leads to Hoggard>Lillee??

tbh I don't know how PEWS reached Hoggard>Lillee

 

[capt_Luffy]

tbh I don't know how PEWS reached Hoggard>Lillee

Lillee's standardised average is 28.5

(ofcourse Hoggard>Lillee is a meme, but it's so by standardised average)

 

[centurymaker]

"Lillee's standardised average is 28.5"

This can't be true, surely?

 

[capt_Luffy]

More made up garbage being treated as fact...

Look even PEWS agrees (I think?) that it was some distance off. No need to call his whole exercise garbage really

 

[ataraxia]

There is a 3.3-run difference between Hoggard's and Lillee's standardised averages.

At the time the standardised averages were published, Ishant averaged 34.64 yet his standardised average was just 0.06 greater than Lillee's. Simon Doull and Dion Nash have lower standardised averages than Lillee. It's very funny. Statistically speaking, he was a fraud.

 

[capt_Luffy]

"Lillee's standardised average is 28.5"

This can't be true, surely?

@Prince EWS ???

 

[Johan]

Why do many Pakistani cricketers and fans says Wasim Akram is a match fixer?

because it's very possible he did spot fixing, a lot of the older Indian and Pakistani cricketers had a way to make money other than performance

 

[capt_Luffy]

because it's very possible he did spot fixing, a lot of the older Indian and Pakistani cricketers had a way to make money other than performance

It's by performance, just not the way their team would have liked

 

[centurymaker]

Was-he a-crim

 

[spidey]

Recently before Sydney test Allan boarder said - well i am a fan of both lara and sachin tendulkar, i love their batting more than anyone else but Steve smith is the best since Bradman.

And statistically Steve Smith is playing in the most bowling friendly era since last 60 years.
Most test with 60+ career average -
1- Sutcliffe -54
2- don Bradman -49
3- spd Smith -43

Most consecutive test with 55+ test AVG
1- Steve Smith -77*
2- Gary sobers -74
3- sachin tendulkar -65
4- ponting -56
It is quite funny when someone says Sachin was more consistent than Steve Smith.

Sachin got around 1700-1800 free runs at around 90 AVG against farmers,
In current era every team has a bowler with<28 bowling average.

See the drastic difference between sachin era and the current era

In 90s era Sachin against the toothless bowlers of NZ ,sl, eng - 2990 runs at 75.76 AVG with 13 centuries.


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Watch the video of Jarod Kimber.

 

[Coronis]

Watch the video of Jarod Kimber.

Credentials:

Access to statsguru and cricket archive.
Has watched as much cricket as some of us.
Began blogging online when this forum was 6 years old. (Richard probably had what, 40k posts already?)
Youtube Channel owner

 

[capt_Luffy]

Credentials:

Access to statsguru and cricket archive.
Has watched as much cricket as some of us.
Began blogging online when this forum was 6 years old. (Richard probably had what, 40k posts already?)
Youtube Channel owner

This Richard guy sounds interesting. Reached 80K posts and stopped posting a decade ago..... GIMH surpassed him to be 2nd, despite being a member for equally long, only last year. Would have completely butchered Burgey.

 

[sayon basak]

This Richard guy sounds interesting. Reached 80K posts and stopped posting a decade ago..... GIMH surpassed him to be 2nd, despite being a member for equally long, only last year. Would have completely butchered Burgey.

You should target him imo. 70k posts in 1 year doesn't seem very hard.

 

[subshakerz]

It did happen, Wasim went on national TV and drew a comparison between Marshall and Lillee, and basically said Lillee didn't take wickets in Asia and relied on pacey tracks, which I find funny as Wasim walks around here with a James Anderson tier away record.

Thommo said the same thing.

 

[Coronis]

So because Wasim has lots of wickets in Asia thats what he thinks matters most.. interesting.