Which team failed to produce a single ATG player in last 30 years?

[Dan]

Nick Knight.

Better than Gilchrist, IIRC.

 

[watson]

Better than Gilchrist, IIRC.

According to the following survey Adam Gilchrist is the 5th best ODI batsman of his era, and 9th overall. And that's pretty hard to beat;

Stats from the Past: The best ODI batsmen from across eras | Highlights | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

The survey also has Allan Lamb as the best English ODI batsman since ODIs began. Whether that is actually true in reality is open to debate of course, but I can understand the author's reasoning.

 

[weldone]

According to the following survey Adam Gilchrist is the 5th best ODI batsman of his era, and 9th overall. And that's pretty hard to beat;

Stats from the Past: The best ODI batsmen from across eras | Highlights | Cricinfo Magazine | ESPN Cricinfo

The survey also has Allan Lamb as the best English ODI batsman since ODIs began. Whether that is actually true in reality is open to debate of course, but I can understand the author's reasoning.

Dan's post was sarcastic. There was a passionate poster in CW called Richard (I think he stopped posting before you joined) who had some absurd (according to us) opinions - Knight being better Gilchrist was one of those.

 

[Dan]

Dan's post was sarcastic. There was a passionate poster in CW called Richard (I think he stopped posting before you joined) who had some absurd (according to us) opinions - Knight being better Gilchrist was one of those.

Next you're going to tell me that Brett Lee is a better ODI bowler than Gavin Larsen.

 

[weldone]

Gavin Larsen was better than Waqar Younis. (ODI)

Nick Knight was better than Adam Gilchrist. (ODI)

Michael Atherton was better than Matthew Hayden. (test)

 

[Dan]

Marcus Trescothick was literally the worst batsmen ever in Test match cricket. Look at his First Chance Average!!!1!

 

[weldone]

I wanted to read trescothick's cricinfo profile, but had to stop after the first half-sentence 'A brutal left-handed opening batsman, Marcus Trecothick was one of the finest opening batsman to play for England...'
W-h-a-t !!!

Is Tim de Lisle the pen name of Alastair Cook?

 

[cnerd123]

Are you Bengali weldone?

 

[weldone]

I am, yes

 

[cnerd123]

My ex girlfriend was bengali. She left me with the impression that all bengali's were witty.

 

[weldone]

I can assure you that all Bengalis are not witty. But yes, there are and have been many witty Bengalis worldwide.

 

[ImpatientLime]

I wanted to read trescothick's cricinfo profile, but had to stop after the first half-sentence 'A brutal left-handed opening batsman, Marcus Trecothick was one of the finest opening batsman to play for England...'
W-h-a-t !!!

Is Tim de Lisle the pen name of Alastair Cook?

yeah that's an odd comment. depends on your cut off of finest i suppose. if there's one thing england have done in the history of the game better than anyone then it's produce openers. tres is certainly behind...

hobbs
sutcliffe
hutton
boycott
gooch
amiss
stewart
cook
vaughan
edrich

....and maybe strauss, washbrook, atherton, cowdery.

 

[weldone]

Grace too

 

[GIMH]

yeah that's an odd comment. depends on your cut off of finest i suppose. if there's one thing england have done in the history of the game better than anyone then it's produce openers. tres is certainly behind...

hobbs
sutcliffe
hutton
boycott
gooch
amiss
stewart
cook
vaughan
edrich

....and maybe strauss, washbrook, atherton, cowdery.

He's above Vaughan, Stewart, Strauss and especially Atherton.

 

[ImpatientLime]

He's above Vaughan, Stewart, Strauss and especially Atherton.

vaughan and stewart no.

vaughan's peak where he casually wrecked world class bowling like they were park bowlers was whilst he was opening, trescothick never got close to those peaks. 38 games, 3.1k runs, 10 centuries at 45.5.

stewart scored 3.3k from 45 games at 44.6 with 8 centuries. he was notching those 100s against waqar, wasim, ambrose, walsh and mcgrath. he should have never been made to drop down the order and keep. any sensible selection panel would have stewart opening with russell keeping and batting at 7.

as much as i liked tres, i always had my doubts about him against the very best. never got to three figures in tests against the aussies.

 

[GIMH]

Yeah Stewart as an opener I'll give you actually.

Vaughan I'm not so sure. His purple patch was incredible but across their careers as a whole Tresco was the better opener (and indeed batsman) IMO

 

[fredfertang]

Maybe De Lisle had in mind Tres' record in ODIs, which is much better than any other English opener

 

[grecian]

vaughan and stewart no.

vaughan's peak where he casually wrecked world class bowling like they were park bowlers was whilst he was opening, trescothick never got close to those peaks. 38 games, 3.1k runs, 10 centuries at 45.5.

stewart scored 3.3k from 45 games at 44.6 with 8 centuries. he was notching those 100s against waqar, wasim, ambrose, walsh and mcgrath. he should have never been made to drop down the order and keep. any sensible selection panel would have stewart opening with russell keeping and batting at 7.

as much as i liked tres, i always had my doubts about him against the very best. never got to three figures in tests against the aussies.

Nah, not buying people featuring a batsman's peak as anything, just means that the rest was much poorer in their overall records.

I rate Stewart higher too, but I think Alec was brilliant there, and should have stayed there for his career. Mind you if you are talking about peoples record against the best I'm not sure Alec stands up that well either.

BTW at the time I wasn't an huge fan of Lamb, but looking at his record compared to his contemories, and World Cup performances, it really is quite impressive.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Stewart's issues with Australia stemmed a lot from Warne; facing spin a different beast first up rather than after getting through the opening spell.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Australia - McGrath, Ponting, Warne, Gilchrist, Bevan
Bangladesh - Shakib
England - Flintoff, KP
India - Tendulkar, David, Kumble
New Zealand - Martin Crowe, Vettori
Pakistan - Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain
Sri Lanka - Murali, Sanga, Jayasuriya
South Africa - Donald, Pollock, Steyn, AB, Klusener, Kallis
WI - Lara, Chanders, Ambrose, Walsh

Don't see how Dhoni doesn't make it if Bevan does.