Which team failed to produce a single ATG player in last 30 years?

[morgieb]

Sorry, probably a bit of hyperbole on my behalf but had to respond to the above statement

Fair enough.

FWIW sledger's a troll in this section of the forum, so I won't take anything he says to heart.

 

[weldone]

I thought Burgey's original post tried to imply Ashes are to tests what World Cups are to ODIs.

In my opinion, Ashes is as important as any other important test series (e.g. England vs South Africa).

 

[sledger]

You mean apart from the greatest spinner of all time and the best batsman since Bradman?

lol

 

[watson]

lol

Don't knock Asanka Gurusinha. Very underated batsman.

 

[weldone]

SL didn't produce the best batsman after Bradman. But SL has seen the best batsman after Bradman very closely for 25 test matches and 1995 runs @ 60.45.

 

[GIMH]

I thought Burgey's original post tried to imply Ashes are to tests what World Cups are to ODIs.

In my opinion, Ashes is as important as any other important test series (e.g. England vs South Africa).

Yeah no, it's not as important. Sorry and no offence to Saffas, but that's how it is.

The Ashes is everything to English cricket. We could lose to everyone else, be ranked 10, never win an ODI or T20 and allow Burgey to live in the country. But if we held the urn, that would outweigh the rest.

 

[cnerd123]

Yea just to echo OS's statement; I grew up playing cricket on the streets of UAE and supporting India yet watching an Ashes Test live is on my bucketlist. Only thing on par to that in Tests is India vs. Pak for me.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Yeah. Dropped him in the quarters for god knows what reason and Lara ****ed them up good.

Was in the period where Donald couldn't control the white ball, wasn't it?

Ended up coming back and bowling a lot at first change.

I love a good troll bowler but Flintoff has the wood on Harris with the bat. As bowlers their roles are completely different so if I was making a team I don't think they would be competing against each other.

Flintoff is such an asset because he could bowl so well in the last 10 overs too. Harris did a wonderful job in the middle overs, but you couldn't use him in the last six or so. The difference between a 5/10 death bowler, and a 5/10 middle overs bowler, can be quite large in terms of the runs it costs you.

I.e in a four over spell (using English players):

Swann vs Collingwood in the middle overs over four overs might be a few runs difference
Flintoff vs Bresnan/Dernbach at the death...

 

[kiwiviktor81]

With Chris Harris you have to factor in that his fielding was worth 10-15 runs an innings.

 

[weldone]

Yeah no, it's not as important. Sorry and no offence to Saffas, but that's how it is.

The Ashes is everything to English cricket. We could lose to everyone else, be ranked 10, never win an ODI or T20 and allow Burgey to live in the country. But if we held the urn, that would outweigh the rest.

You didn't get my point. I wasn't talking about English cricket in particular, but test cricket in general. There are equally (and sometimes more) important contests around the world.

 

[weldone]

...Only thing on par to that in Tests is India vs. Pak for me.

Yes, India vs Pakistan is another contest that's equally important.

 

[weldone]

With all due respect to Chris Harris (I personally like him more than I like Flintoff), he isn't comparable to Flintoff at any level.

 

[Flem274*]

Was in the period where Donald couldn't control the white ball, wasn't it?

Ended up coming back and bowling a lot at first change.



Flintoff is such an asset because he could bowl so well in the last 10 overs too. Harris did a wonderful job in the middle overs, but you couldn't use him in the last six or so. The difference between a 5/10 death bowler, and a 5/10 middle overs bowler, can be quite large in terms of the runs it costs you.

I.e in a four over spell (using English players):

Swann vs Collingwood in the middle overs over four overs might be a few runs difference
Flintoff vs Bresnan/Dernbach at the death...

Yeah exactly, which is why if I had them in a pool of players to pick from neither would impede the chances of the other being picked. Flintoff is in the opening/death bowler group and Harris the middle overs. Harris is mainly competing with spinners and other medium pacers like Harvey, Larsen et al.

 

[Flem274*]

With all due respect to Chris Harris (I personally like him more than I like Flintoff), he isn't comparable to Flintoff at any level.

Well I could only pick one I'd pick Flintoff, but that's not the point I'm making.

 

[weldone]

I know Flem. I was replying to this.

I would pick Klusener and Chris Harris as ODI alrounders ahead of Flintoff

 

[Migara]

lol

yeah thorpe, gooch, trott, bell and cook are better without doubt.

 

[ImpatientLime]

And Ashes is overrated FTR.

when india win one you'll change your tune.

 

[ImpatientLime]

Yeah no, it's not as important. Sorry and no offence to Saffas, but that's how it is.

The Ashes is everything to English cricket. We could lose to everyone else, be ranked 10, never win an ODI or T20 and allow Burgey to live in the country. But if we held the urn, that would outweigh the rest.

this post makes me sad.

 

[ImpatientLime]

yeah thorpe, gooch, trott, bell and cook are better without doubt.

muh national pride

 

[weldone]

when india win one you'll change your tune.

At the moment, India's chances of winning the Ashes isn't lower than England's chances of winning the World Cup.