You don't need imbalanced records to have one "massively inflated" by helpful conditions. It applies to everyone.
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What would Ashwin and Jadeja's records look like if they debuted a decade earlier?
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centurymaker
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Lyon wafg
He does so well whenever he plays in India. And is really good in Aus too.
Is this also upto end of 2019?
CricAddict
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This is exactly what you are doing. You want to attribute all of India's victories to the pitches rather than the talent within the team. Give credit to the players ffs.
Prince EWS
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Yeah last updated August 2019.Lyon wafg
He does so well whenever he plays in India. And is really good in Aus too.
Is this also upto end of 2019?
centurymaker
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Even if Ashwin and Jadeja are actually averaging 30 after standardisation.
They are also averaging 30+ with the bat on the same bowler friendly pitches! This is what makes them beyond amazing.
They are also averaging 30+ with the bat on the same bowler friendly pitches! This is what makes them beyond amazing.
subshakerz
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I did in the other thread, including Kohli ruthlessness. But denying pitches being a massive factor is silly.
CricAddict
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Possible to do Bumrah, Shami, Cummins and Haze please? Just interested on how that works out for pacers since Steve Smith gets negative and Lyon gets positive while Ash-Jaddu get negative and Kohli gets positive.
Prince EWS
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Cummins 17
Bumrah 18
Haze 22
Shami 25
Basically it just thinks the 2010-2019 Australian pitches were disgusting roads, lol.
CricAddict
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Pitches are a massive factor everywhere in the world and at any time. It is not exclusive to Ashwin and Jadeja alone. You are just hellbent on demeaning their feats for some reason.
Prince EWS
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Ishant interestingly got adjusted from 35 to 28.... and after the Aug 2019 cut-off his actual average dropped to 32. Standardised average could be 25-26 now?
We'll never know tbh.
Socerer 01
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this thread is the Avengers Endgame of subs Ash Jaddu saga
Prince EWS
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Yes it's a shame Test cricket died in August 2019. Frozen in time.
Socerer 01
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makes sense as he bowled very well since 2016 and before that was a workhorse at least
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The australian pitches thing really did break Pews' formula if it skews Cummins bowling average and Smith's batting average that much.
Prince EWS
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Cummins' actual average was only 21 at the time tbf.
Games after 2019 will kind of retcon what it thinks of the 2018 and 2019 pitches too, it's less accurate for stuff right as it happens, it needs more data after the matches to properly figure it out. But I'm pretty sure it'll still give Cummins a lower bowling average than McGrath.
Observation is that it does seem to over-react to spin-friendly conditions a bit. Ashwin shouldn't have a higher average than Hauritz.
CricAddict
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It is assuming that Australian pitches provide zero spin or pace assistance and were total roads like PEWS said.
centurymaker
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plus he bowled on indian pitches which had almost no assitance for seamers.