What would Ashwin and Jadeja's records look like if they debuted a decade earlier?

[CricAddict]

Kumble has seven first class tons and was batting 6 or 7 in Ranji when he was first called up. If he needed to take his batting more seriously to get in the side he definitely could have done it IMO.

I think he was better bowler than Ashwin and would have been selected on that basis.

He should have taken it seriously then. Indian tail was a joke during his time and he was part of it. There were very rare moments that he and Srinath did somewhat ok with the bat. Otherwise, it was always Sachin out, all out.

Yes, he might be the slightly better bowler but it does not outweigh what Ashwin gives with the bat over him. My Indian ATG XI will have Ash-Jaddu combination over Kumble, Bedi, Prasanna etc. to give that extra weight with the bat without losing anything with the ball.

 

[CricAddict]

Four years out of date but in 2019 it did suggest subs was very much correct and I don't imagine it would have changed a lot since then because bowling has become easier rather than harder.

Ashwin - 31
Jadeja - 30
Kumble - 33

What are standardized averages? What is the main factor built into it?

 

[Daemon]

Four years out of date but in 2019 it did suggest subs was very much correct and I don't imagine it would have changed a lot since then because bowling has become easier rather than harder.

Ashwin - 31
Jadeja - 30
Kumble - 33

That’s huge. I’d always thought of it as 28 or so in my head.

 

[subshakerz]

Four years out of date but in 2019 it did suggest subs was very much correct and I don't imagine it would have changed a lot since then because bowling has become easier rather than harder.

Ashwin - 31
Jadeja - 30

Sounds about right.

 

[CricAddict]

Sounds about right.

Yeah, it can sound how you like in your dream world. But the reality is that Ashwin and Jadeja average 24 with the ball in actual test cricket
Check the stats below.

Ravichandran Ashwin Profile - Cricket Player India | Stats, Records, Video

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[Coronis]

What are standardized averages? What is the main factor built into it?

Idr the actual context but you’d assume from just the name its based around standardizing opponent strength and pitches.

 

[CricAddict]

Idr the actual context but you’d assume from just the name its based around standardizing opponent strength and pitches.

If that's the case, then if Ash-Jaddu who average 24 average 31 in the standardized thing, then Kohli who averages 50 now should have a higher average than Steve Smith, isn't it? Assuming that Smith's standard average doesn't go up much.

 

[Prince EWS]

If that's the case, then if Ash-Jaddu who average 24 average 31 in the standardized thing, then Kohli who averages 50 now should have a higher average than Steve Smith, isn't it? Assuming that Smith's standard average doesn't go up much.

Pitches can be determined as good for spin but not for pace which does then even out how they work for batting. But in 2019 anyway it was far kinder to Kohli than to Smith (although Smith still ended up ahead because he averaged so much more to begin with).

Kohli's went from 54 to 55.
Smith's went from 63 to 58.

I'd be really keen to see an update on that.

Will also note that - especially back in 2019 - Ashwin and Jadeja had played a disproportionate amount of their games at home, compared to Kohli who had a more even split.

 

[subshakerz]

Yeah, it can sound how you like in your dream world. But the reality is that Ashwin and Jadeja average 24 with the ball in actual test cricket
Check the stats below.

Ravichandran Ashwin Profile - Cricket Player India | Stats, Records, Video

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Ravindra Jadeja Profile - Cricket Player India | Stats, Records, Video

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Pitch-induced averages.

 

[CricAddict]

Pitch-induced averages.

ha ha

 

[subshakerz]

Pitches can be determined as good for spin but not for pace which does then even out how they work for batting. But in 2019 anyway it was far kinder to Kohli than to Smith (although Smith still ended up ahead because he averaged so much more to begin with).

Kohli's went from 54 to 55.
Smith's went from 63 to 58.

I'd be really keen to see an update on that.

Will also note that - especially back in 2019 - Ashwin and Jadeja had played a disproportionate amount of their games at home, compared to Kohli who had a more even split.

Those adjusted averages for Kohli and Smith make sense.

 

[CricAddict]

Those adjusted averages for Kohli and Smith make sense.

The difference would have gotten much bigger between them in the last 4 years.

 

[subshakerz]

ha ha

You really are convinced that their home records have been to do with them being that superior in skills over all home spinners in SC history? I mean, come on, we should be past taking those argument seriously at the point.

 

[CricAddict]

You really are convinced that their home records have been to do with them being that superior in skills over all home spinners in SC history? I mean, come on, we should be past taking those argument seriously at the point.

Yes, they are.

 

[Coronis]

I'd be really keen to see an update on that

Meta

 

[subshakerz]

Yes, they are.

Sometimes you don't want to accept pitch reality even if it is staring you in the face.

I get it though, so many victories, seems a bit impolite not to just chalk it up to Jadeja's and Ashwin's wonderful acumen for deciphering how to get batsmen out that generations of spinners never realised, rather than just pitches being juiced to the point even foreign spinners are taking in good hauls that they rarely used to.

 

[Xix2565]

Sometimes you don't want to accept pitch reality even if it is staring you in the face.

I get it though, so many victories, seems a bit impolite not to just chalk it up to Jadeja's and Ashwin's wonderful acumen for deciphering how to get batsmen out that generations of spinners never realise, rather than just pitches being juiced to the point even foreign spinners are taking in good hauls that they rarely used to.

This logic applies to every bowler with a ridiculous record ffs. Have some shame and admit you don't want to debate facts and records, instead you want all of us to jerk off with you about unwarranted stat padding and such.

 

[subshakerz]

This logic applies to every bowler with a ridiculous record ffs. Have some shame and admit you don't want to debate facts and records, instead you want all of us to jerk off with you about unwarranted stat padding and such.

Every bowler with an imbalanced record. Including Philander for example.

 

[Prince EWS]

Four years out of date but in 2019 it did suggest subs was very much correct and I don't imagine it would have changed a lot since then because bowling has become easier rather than harder.

Ashwin - 31
Jadeja - 30
Kumble - 33

Others of interest:

Warne 21
Murali 23
Maharaj 24
Lyon 25
Swann 25
Ajmal 25
Yasir 27
Panesar 28
O'Keefe 28
Hauritz 28
Kaneria 30
Vettori 30
Herath 32
Harbhajan 33
Kartik 33
Harris 33
Benn 34
Shakib 35
Mishra 38
Price 38
Boje 40
Rafique 41
Dilruwan 44

 

[centurymaker]

The difference would have gotten much bigger between them in the last 4 years.

Kohli had gained 1, Smith had lost 5

Kohli 49 to 50 now.
Smith 58 to 54/55


Ashwin I think would be 29-30 now
Jadeja 30.