What 3 players would u want exchanged from ur team?

[Mingster]

Cairns is a strike bowler who can bat, and bat really well. Flintoff is a middle overs bowler, where he can stay safe, so his average is marginally better, but play him as a lead bowler and things will change. With Cairns, it was a manageable 4/5 and he did it quite well.

Cairns is not a strike bowler anymore, don't you where you got that impression from. He was 2 years ago, but not anymore I'm afraid.

A bowler who can bat? His batting these days is far superior to the standard of his bowling. Just look at this Test averages, 34 batting and 29 with the ball.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

well balaji has played only a few matches. agarkar after having played so many matches, should not be having an econ of over 5. im sure balaji will be better than agarkar in the days to come

The fact is that Agarkar takes wickets more often than any Indian seamer bar Zaheer.

 

[blackcapsrule]

Gilchrist for Patel
.
Harmison/Bond/Gillespie for Nehra.
.
Murali/Warne for harbhajan.

Everyone wants Gilly, and I would to. A few would like Bond which makes me proud im a New Zealander.................until our next game.

 

[tooextracool]

strengthen the batting lineup. duh.
if he cant play down the order (which i dont think is the case), gangs can be pushed down.

and that improves the balance of the side does it?now you've got 6 strokemakers and the bowling attack really hasnt become any better with kallis.

 

[tooextracool]

first lets get some thing right. you are replying here to a comment that i made when you posted this:
which is not just absurd but completely different from what you are you rambling on about now.
now if you want me to just look at his odi record, he has played only a single game in SL( and none in india) in the recent years that you say he has improved. so he hasnt proved himself and hence cant be taken into the indian side with conviction.

have you noticed that ODI wickets all over the world are now basically just flat? it isnt as though india prepare turning ODI wickets so why would flintoff struggle in ODIs in india if they were just as flat as the other wickets that hes played on??

my point was that langer has a problem against agarkar both home and away [\QUOTE]
if i remember it right agarkar played only one match in the 2001 series and langer was dismissed cheaply by harb. in that match.

yes and from 1 inning you came to the conclusion that he doesnt struggle against agarkar in india did you? youre a smart man....

 

[Raj123]

yes and from 1 inning you came to the conclusion that he doesnt struggle against agarkar in india did you? youre a smart man....

you said:

my point was that langer has a problem against agarkar both home and away

i merely pointed that they played together (for a brief period) in 1 innings so you cant come to the conclusion that you stated. now where did i claim that agarkar does (or doesnt) trouble langer in india.
all you've done in the last few posts is twist my statements and drooled about irrelevant stuff.
i dont know why i even bother to make a logical argument with you.

 

[tooextracool]

Flintoff, given England's lack of depth in batting, has to go higher up, so he gets more opportunities. However, the Indians play 6 or 7 batsmen in the team, and a wicketkeeper at 7 if he plays, so the bowlers don't get enough opportunities to bat, nor does Shaun Pollock, playing below Gibbs, Kirsten, Kallis, Rhodes, Cullinan, Klusener, Mark Boucher and Nicky Boje. He can fit into the number 6/7 of any team. He has not got the opportunities. As a former Indian Test player would say, you have to keep the windows open to taste sunlight.

which definetly explains why pollock's average actually gets better when he bats lower down the order. i dont know whether you've been watching SA ODI cricket recently but rhodes,kirsten and cullinan dont play for SA anymore(for quite a while actually). the only reason pollock bats down the order is because the players that bat ahead of him happen to be better batters than he is....

Cairns is a strike bowler who can bat, and bat really well.

incase you havent noticed, so can flintoff

Flintoff is a middle overs bowler, where he can stay safe, so his average is marginally better, but play him as a lead bowler and things will change. With Cairns, it was a manageable 4/5 and he did it quite well.

1)flintoff doesnt bowl in the middle overs
2) if he did wouldnt cairns have a higher average considering wickets are more likely to fall in the death than they are in the mid overs?

Bichel is NOT useless by any means.

explains why hes not even in the side

Brett Lee, like Pathan and Balaji, is a POTENTIAL all-rounder. He has always worked at improving his batting and given a chance, he can score a quick 20-30 or even a quick 50. The sixes he hits are also quite decisive, as those two last ball sixes off Oram deflated NZ. Anyone would willingly trade Agarkar for Lee.

1)incase you havent watched lee bat, he has not technique whatsoever and is basically a hit and miss player just like balaji. the idea of comparing someone with no technique and a batting average of 14 to a proven player with a batting average of 30 is laughable.
2) pathan has potential yes,but only a fool would consider him as good as flintoff after just 13 matches in which he averages lower with both bat and ball.

 

[tooextracool]

i merely pointed that they played together (for a brief period) in 1 innings so you cant come to the conclusion that you stated. now where did i claim that agarkar does (or doesnt) trouble langer in india.

which is completely besides the point that i've been trying to make all along....

 

[Raj123]

which is completely besides the point that i've been trying to make all along....

you dont have a point. you've just been trying to drool some rubbish, twist what i said in an effort to what, i dont know.(one thing's for a sure its got nothing to do with flintoff or his ability to play spin)

you said flintoff improved(in your opinion) against murali so he would'nt have any problems with lesser bowlers. i gave an example where a batsman does well against better bowlers but struggles against the likes of AA and so you cant make that assumption.
in an effort to somehow prove that flintoff wouldnt have a problem in india, you decided to make manufacture something like:

my point was that langer has a problem against agarkar both home and away

which i proved is not true and now you say its "besides the point". well, i could have told you that.

after wasting a few pages arguing with you i've realised that i presented enough information on why flintoff may not be suitable for india. you on the other hand are content with talking some s*it which has to do with everthing else but flintoff. i dont want to waste any more of my precious time talking to an idiot like you and so am ceasing this conversation.

 

[delkap]

why doesn't someone post a poll abt which player is better ? everyone can vote and we can get to know majority opinion. Thats a better option than carrying on this feud..
Thats just my opinion, you guys r welcome to carry on arguing !!, but it has been quite long.

 

[Deja moo]

Polls don't work.

People will tend to vote for their favourite ( based on nationality, mostly).

Thats why present democratic setups are flawed.

 

[Jamee999]

Tendulkar for Butcher
Pollock for Hoggard
Murrali for Giles

These changes would make the England team:

Trescothick
Strauss
Tendulkar
Vaughan
Thorpe
Flintoff
G,Jones
Pollock
Anderson
Harmison
Murrali

 

[Raj123]

why doesn't someone post a poll abt which player is better ? everyone can vote and we can get to know majority opinion. Thats a better option than carrying on this feud..
Thats just my opinion, you guys r welcome to carry on arguing !!, but it has been quite long.

thanks for the invitation. but no thanks, i'm done arguing.

 

[Eclipse]

1)incase you havent watched lee bat, he has not technique whatsoever and is basically a hit and miss player just like balaji. the idea of comparing someone with no technique and a batting average of 14 to a proven player

No deffensive techneque yes but he has the shots and can execute them well.

He has a good offdrive and ondrive can cut and pull as well.

He has probably spend a fair bit of time in the nets practicing playing shots but his deffense is crap hence the reason why Gillespie bats ahead of him sometimes.

These days he slogs more often than he plays a proper innings but he can play one.

 

[tooextracool]

you dont have a point. you've just been trying to drool some rubbish, twist what i said in an effort to what, i dont know.(one thing's for a sure its got nothing to do with flintoff or his ability to play spin)

you said flintoff improved(in your opinion) against murali so he would'nt have any problems with lesser bowlers. i gave an example where a batsman does well against better bowlers but struggles against the likes of AA and so you cant make that assumption.
in an effort to somehow prove that flintoff wouldnt have a problem in india, you decided to make manufacture something like:

which i proved is not true and now you say its "besides the point". well, i could have told you that.

yes just looking at how many times you've changed your argument completely i can figure that you dont have a point whatsoever. first you started rambling about the fact that yuvraj was a better player, after being proved wrong you came up with kallis to replace him instead of flintoff which didnt improve the balance of the side at all. eventually you ended up trying to find the only criticism you could possibly make of my post which was that langer struggled against agarkar and it was therefore possible for flintoff to also struggle against a lower quality spinner. all the while you continually kept looking at tests when the basic fact is that the discussion was about replacing yuvraj in ODIs where we dont see turning tracks and hence flintoff would be just about as comfortable playing a spinner in the sub continent as he would anywhere else around the world(ask ponting). i dont know why you keep bringing test matches into the discussion but let me inform you 1 more time......ODI pitches are completely different from test match wickets!

after wasting a few pages arguing with you i've realised that i presented enough information on why flintoff may not be suitable for india. you on the other hand are content with talking some s*it which has to do with everthing else but flintoff. i dont want to waste any more of my precious time talking to an idiot like you and so am ceasing this conversation.

oh yes by looking at flintoff's test record some 3 years ago you came to the conclusion that he would be useless in the sub continent,despite the fact that he has shown improvement in SL with both bat and ball. its clear that only someone without a favourable point to support his argument would come up with insults and 'cease' this conversation, yes i am an idiot to spend all this time trying to convince you that test match records cant be used to determine whether a player is good enough at the ODI level....

 

[Loony BoB]

Warne for Franklin.
Kallis for McMillan.
Hayden for Papps.

With an attack spearheaded by Bond, Warne and Tuffey, I'd be rather happy to say the least. Of course, this is all assuming that Tuffey and Bond recover to full form after their injuries. If they don't and they become mediocre (which is a big if) I'd change it to:

Harmison for Bond
Warne for Tuffey
and I'd keep the Hayden for Papps for obvious reasons.

The possible teams:
Test: Richardson, Hayden, Fleming, Astle, Kallis, Styris, McCullum, Oram, Warne, Tuffey, Bond
ODI: Astle, Hayden, Fleming, Kallis, Styris, Cairns, McCullum, Oram, Warne, Tuffey, Bond
I'd be more than happy. xD Large bowling attack, too - at least six bowlers in tests if you include Kallis and Styris, with Richardson and Astle capable of playing around (although needlessly, given the attack). Cairns to boot in the ODI's. Oh, and if Warne won't play ODI's, we can use Harris or Vettori, who will no doubt be challenging other positions throughout. Bwahaha. *dreams on*

 

[biased indian]

given a choice i dont think BCCI or john wright will want to have flintoff in thier team over yuvraj.

 

[blackcapsrule]

given a choice i dont think BCCI or john wright will want to have flintoff in thier team over yuvraj.

No, I dont.

PS (this is my 700th post)

 

[blackcapsrule]

No deffensive techneque yes but he has the shots and can execute them well.

He has a good offdrive and ondrive can cut and pull as well.

He has probably spend a fair bit of time in the nets practicing playing shots but his deffense is crap hence the reason why Gillespie bats ahead of him sometimes.

These days he slogs more often than he plays a proper innings but he can play one.

Gillespie can bat aswell. Very well.

 

[blackcapsrule]

These changes would make the England team:

Trescothick
Strauss
Tendulkar
Vaughan
Thorpe
Flintoff
G,Jones
Pollock
Anderson
Harmison
Murrali

I wouldn't have Strauss in there.