We will beat Aussies at home: Srinivasan

[Shri]

If they had proper bounce and carry they would be.

No they wouldn't.

 

[G.I.Joe]

If they had proper bounce and carry they would be.

DWTA. Flatness is the absence of movement, rather than just the absence of bounce. A pitch with proper bounce and carry but no movement is predictable enough to be considered flat.

 

[Top_Cat]

Tbf, same happened in 90's where India got comprehensively beaten outside SC but did have a excellent record at home.

Not the same, for mine. India in the 90's also had Sachin, Azhar, Sidhu, Ganguly, etc. all excellent players at home. Laxman will be gone soon, Dravid not too far after him and I doubt Sachin will be playing for too much longer either. The next generation of Indian players don't look up to long knocks in Test cricket at all, let alone being home bullies.

Anyway, we'll see.

 

[Shri]

Not the same, for mine. India in the 90's also had Sachin, Azhar, Sidhu, Ganguly, etc. all excellent players at home. Laxman will be gone soon, Dravid not too far after him and I doubt Sachin will be playing for too much longer either. The next generation of Indian players don't look up to long knocks in Test cricket at all, let alone being home bullies.

Anyway, we'll see.

Pujara, Mukund etc are actually better FC players than List A or T20 players. Have high hopes for them as batsmen at least inside the SC.

 

[Furball]

DWTA. Flatness is the absence of movement, rather than just the absence of bounce. A pitch with proper bounce and carry but no movement is predictable enough to be considered flat.

I'm not arguing otherwise. I'm saying that bouncier wickets at home will be more beneficial to India long term, regardless of whether there's much movement.

The biggest thing India struggle with abroad is bounce. Conversely, England have spent the last year racking up some enormous scores, and were bowled out twice for less than 200 on the flattest deck they've played on. Reckon a lot of our batsmen struggled with the lack of pace - a lot of them seemed to struggle with the pull shot.

 

[marc71178]

From what I have seen of Ojha and Ashwin, I really don't think they would be troubling good players of spin bowling..Zaheer, Pravin and Ishant might be more useful at home..but don't expect a lot from the spinners tbh.

He could hardly be any less useful tbh.

 

[silentstriker]

Not the same, for mine. India in the 90's also had Sachin, Azhar, Sidhu, Ganguly, etc. all excellent players at home. Laxman will be gone soon, Dravid not too far after him and I doubt Sachin will be playing for too much longer either. The next generation of Indian players don't look up to long knocks in Test cricket at all, let alone being home bullies.

Anyway, we'll see.

Remember this generation of players still came up before T20. Pujara has two triple triple centuries in under 23 and one triple in FC cricket! Also has a double against a touring England side. Now it's a fair question whether he can be a home bully but you still need to know how to occupy a crease to score three triples.

 

[honestbharani]

If they had proper bounce and carry they would be.

who defines it "proper".. Playing on low bounce is as much cricket as it is to playing on ones with high bounce.

 

[Jono]

I really don't see how anything Gambhir said can be criticised, at least about the point regarding pitches at home. His point is 100% valid. Whenever India prepare a turner of a proper turner they get slammed for it. South Africa had an unbelievable bitch after this match: 3rd Test: India v South Africa at Kanpur, Apr 11-13, 2008 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

The flat **** India prepares right now is disgusting though. Prepare turners and if the match ends of day 3 cop it. It's better than no one watching.

The reason his comments are dubious though is because he's taken no responsibility for the team sucking in away conditions. Fair enough you lose, but don't get your arse handed to you like they have. That's what annoys me.

Also your bowlers have let two players score a 294 and a 329 on these pitches ffs.

 

[Jono]

Negligible point when India don't have a spinner to pick for themselves, tbh. Honestly don't even think they're good enough to stop a decent visiting side right now.

Going to come right out and predict it; India are going down to the next half-decent touring side and then many of their fans, politicians and officials will really have absolutely nowhere to go.

How is it negligible though? You haven't seen them on turners yet. Put Ashwin and Ojha on a turner and they will be a lot more difficult to play compared to when they play on the flat tracks they have been getting in India so far. I agree they're not very good bowlers but they'll get wickets for sure.

And do you stick by your prediction even if India do start preparing Kanpur 2008-esque tracks?

 

[Shri]

I don't mind playing Harbhajan with Ashwin on a rank turner either. Harbhajan can be unplayable at times on tracks that turn.

 

[Contra]

Um did people miss the WI series? Ashwin and Ojha completely drowned WI batsmen on turning wickets. Kotla was a pure spinning track with low bounce, Mumbai was an ok track and Eden was flat, Ashwin got 22 wickets in that series and Ohja wasn't far behind. So I dunno where this talk of "get a decent spinner" is coming. Yeah sure we need our spinners to perform overseas but your stupid if you think India doesn't have spinners who can bowl effectively in Indian conditions.

The reason we keep getting flat decks in India is because our spinning wickets usually get reported, and the second reason is that the sponsors want the test matches to go all 5 days which usually doesn't happen if the wicket is spin friendly. If India and SL produce wickets like the Kotla (against WI) and Galle (vs Aus) that's what I would consider as the true test for opposing teams. NZ managed to draw 2 tests when they toured us in 2010 because Ahemdabad and Hydrabad were absolute roads and as soon as we got a half decent spinning wicket they collapsed in the 3rd test at Nagpur. Sums up the situation in India for the last 4-5 years were we get 1 decent wicket and the rest of the matches are played on roads.

 

[GotSpin]

The West Indies are horrible against spin though

 

[Jono]

Yeah I agree with Got Spin. I'd reserve opinion on them until they play a better team, even on turners.

That being said, they'll obviously be threatening. You're a brave man if you reckon on a rank turner (i.e. not what India have put out since 2009) they will be fodder or that India won't be huge favourites.

 

[Contra]

The West Indies are horrible against spin though

A lot of overseas teams are, WI just happened to get unlucky as compared to other teams who've visited India in the last 2-3 years because the wickets were aiding spin (bar Eden) for most of the series. Can guarantee that had we got those type of wickets against NZ in 2010 we would have won 2-0 or 3-0 against them well.

Feel sorry for Bhajji too because he's probably bowled on more flat decks than anyone else over the last few years.

 

[chicane]

Gambhir did credit the Aussie bowlers for besting the Indian bats. Anyway, hope the **** returns his focus to scoring runs at Adelaide now.

 

[honestbharani]

The reason I feel he would make a good captain is that he actually cares about all 3 forms of the game and hates losing. That is a better start than some of the others in the team right now, tbh. He is a reasonably honest bloke as well although, his bitching from time to time does get annoying.

 

[Furball]

Yeah I agree with Got Spin. I'd reserve opinion on them until they play a better team, even on turners.

That being said, they'll obviously be threatening. You're a brave man if you reckon on a rank turner (i.e. not what India have put out since 2009) they will be fodder or that India won't be huge favourites.

As far as England go, I wouldn't make us comfortable favourites or anything but Swann took 9 on the only pitch which remotely assisted him in the series in summer. I'm sure he'd be delighted with the news that India were preparing turning tracks for the return series.

 

[Furball]

A lot of overseas teams are, WI just happened to get unlucky as compared to other teams who've visited India in the last 2-3 years because the wickets were aiding spin (bar Eden) for most of the series. Can guarantee that had we got those type of wickets against NZ in 2010 we would have won 2-0 or 3-0 against them well.

Feel sorry for Bhajji too because he's probably bowled on more flat decks than anyone else over the last few years.

The pitch at Mumbai was a flat piece of crap for 4 days before it fell apart on the 5th.

 

[honestbharani]

As far as England go, I wouldn't make us comfortable favourites or anything but Swann took 9 on the only pitch which remotely assisted him in the series in summer. I'm sure he'd be delighted with the news that India were preparing turning tracks for the return series.

yeah, only this time he will not be facing a completely demoralized and in some cases, not fully matchfit, opposition..