We will beat Aussies at home: Srinivasan

[Sylvester]

Which the ICC did nothing about. And when did India listen to complaints about pitches anyway? Teams have been complaining for years about the roads they have to play on.

 

[G.I.Joe]

Which the ICC did nothing about. And when did India listen to complaints about pitches anyway? Teams have been complaining for years about the roads they have to play on.

The curators tend to produce roads because the moment they try to produce a turner, they get reported. If teams would stop complaining about pitches that turn, maybe the groundsmen would not have to err on the side of caution.

 

[Sylvester]

Unless the ICC actually do something then they should continue producing turners. And going by the comments in the media it looks like we will be seeing more of them whether the touring team likes it or not.

 

[Black_Warrior]

Flat. We tried preparing rank turners, but then some teams decided to have a sook and complained to the ICC.

Which teams? can we have some names please?

 

[Cevno]

Which teams? can we have some names please?

South Africa for once seem to moan every time.

 

[Cevno]

Unless the ICC actually do something then they should continue producing turners. And going by the comments in the media it looks like we will be seeing more of them whether the touring team likes it or not.

Idiotic ICC did actually report some pitches.

I disagree that all pitches are flat, but at the same time they aren't rank turners with bounce variation either.

 

[Arachnodouche]

I don't understand this siege mentality from Indian fans. Azhar's India won everything at home for nigh on ten years but does anyone have fond memories of that era? We eulogize Ganguly's reign even though we lost a fair bit at home during his time, but there were meaningful, albeit scattered, victories abroad. If Gambhir is the incumbent for captaincy, then I can't imagine a worse attitude. His work ethic can go for a walk if he's so blind to the obvious.

 

[Cevno]

Negligible point when India don't have a spinner to pick for themselves, tbh. Honestly don't even think they're good enough to stop a decent visiting side right now.

Going to come right out and predict it; India are going down to the next half-decent touring side and then many of their fans, politicians and officials will really have absolutely nowhere to go.

Tbf, same happened in 90's where India got comprehensively beaten outside SC but did have a excellent record at home.

Unless somehow something major happens, i can't see India struggling at home at least. The spinners you are referring to do much better at home than away, and so do the seamers to an extent and most certainly the batsman. India still has lost less series than even Australia at home since 1990 IIRC.

And if they are pitches that only favor spinners, then can't see any team beating India in a spinning battle(especially in terms of batting against spin). Perhaps Pakistan would come closest.

 

[Arachnodouche]

lost to SA, Aus

Aus lost to WI, Eng

But that comparison is sort of fatuous because Oz had forward momentum back then. We are regressing if anything, and I wonder if Ashwin/Ojha can deliver home victories at the same frequency as Kumble and Singh (and Chauhan, Raju).

 

[Burgey]

lost to SA, Aus

Aus lost to WI, Eng

But that comparison is sort of fatuous because Oz had forward momentum back then. We are regressing if anything, and I wonder if Ashwin/Ojha can deliver home victories at the same frequency as Kumble and Singh (and Chauhan, Raju).

And SA.

 

[Arachnodouche]

^Merci.

But yeah, don't think we're going to be invincible at home the way the Australians were during their 15 year stretch. Or like we were during the 90s. Too many intangibles around this side at the moment.

 

[Black_Warrior]

From what I have seen of Ojha and Ashwin, I really don't think they would be troubling good players of spin bowling..Zaheer, Pravin and Ishant might be more useful at home..but don't expect a lot from the spinners tbh.

 

[G.I.Joe]

It's not about being invincible. It's about maximising your chances for success. Flat tracks level the playing field for both home and visiting batting lineups. True turners tilt the balance in favour of the home batting lineup. Flat tracks aid neither our quicks nor the spinners. True turners offer the spinners some help that wasn't there before. If both the batting and bowling benefit from a particular type of pitch, it would be incorrect to pretend that there isn't an advantage to be had by going there.

 

[sachin200]

The only problem with preparing rank turners is that India will pick 3 spinners and we will regress on pace front even more and we will go to abroad with pacers who are either **** or who have no international experience (which is exactly what happened in 90s)

 

[G.I.Joe]

The only problem with preparing rank turners is that India will pick 3 spinners and we will regress on pace front even more and we will go to abroad with pacers who are either **** or who have no international experience (which is exactly what happened in 90s)

How are flat pitches a viable alternative then?

 

[Furball]

How are flat pitches a viable alternative then?

If they had proper bounce and carry they would be.

 

[sachin200]

How are flat pitches a viable alternative then?

when the pitch is flat they pick more than 1 (mostly 2 sometimes 3) pacers always rather than the 3 spinners

 

[Cevno]

There is decent room for a pitch, that isn't a absolute rank turner or a road but still helps the Spinners sufficiently more than the Seamers.

 

[Furball]

There is decent room for a pitch, that isn't a absolute rank turner or a road but still helps the Spinners sufficiently more than the Seamers.

Is there?

I always thought that one of the issues with pitch preparation in India is that there is not much of a window between preparing a road and having a pitch that will crumble early and get reported.

 

[Prince EWS]

Is there?

I always thought that one of the issues with pitch preparation in India is that there is not much of a window between preparing a road and having a pitch that will crumble early and get reported.

I always thought the issue was that if they prepared a proper turner it'd generally end up really slow and come with inconsistent bounce. I love seeing the ball turn but slow and inconsistent pitches, if they were to become the norm anyway (don't mind the odd one for variation), would be bad for cricket IMO.