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Was Sehwag the greatest player of spin in the hisory of the game ??

Was Sehwag greatest spin player?


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the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
Apart from guys who only played a match or two against him, I think it is THE best record v Bradman isn't it?
Close. Bedser's record is 6 dismissals for 243 runs, so a 40 ave v Bradman against Verity's 50. However you'd have to say Verity's effort had a degree of difficulty bcos it was achieved against pre war Bradman. From memory the best is Bowes who had 5 dismissals for about 170 runs i think. Far and away the best v Bradman.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
That is exactly what I was thinking but I thought it might be tactful to be slightly more diplomatic!
I don't even... how did you do this?
Originally Posted by Starfighter

I'd think you'd have be a bit better than 'rubbish-to-okayish' to take 14 wickets in a test. I mean, no one from, for example, South Africa has done it. A really, appallingly silly argument when Murali and Vaas took 50 out of the 60 West Indian wickets in the series.How did you get the article over to them in the first place? Depending on the method of communication, it may be recoverable.

Also, even if you cannot start your laptop, it should be possible for IT specialists to recover files from your hard drive. Although it would probably be cheaper to just buy a new charger, lol.
Sounds like a visitor from the school of bollocks as usual.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
Close. Bedser's record is 6 dismissals for 243 runs, so a 40 ave v Bradman against Verity's 50. However you'd have to say Verity's effort had a degree of difficulty bcos it was achieved against pre war Bradman. From memory the best is Bowes who had 5 dismissals for about 170 runs i think. Far and away the best v Bradman.
If so, Bowes record against Bradman is pretty weird as Bowes played in the 4th and 5th Tests of the 1934 series in which Bradman made consecutive scores of 304 and 244. I guess he also bowled to Bradman in the Bodyline series and the first half of the 1934 series in which Bradman was sick.
 

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
Bowes managed to escape the worst of the carnage. He also knocked his middle stump flying in the the low scoring Leeds test in 1938 though not before Bradman played the match defining innings.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Among the best I've seen:

- Lara
- Sehwag
- Navjot Sidhu
- Salim Malik
- Saeed Anwar.

Anwar actually had an excellent record against Warne, Murali and Kumble.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Perhaps because I was very young when I saw him; he is the first great batsman that I've seen.
I suppose I loved him all the more because of the stark contrast between his dour batting and his effervescent joviality.
iirc he was a more flamboyant, faster scorer but got dropped, then changed his style to what we know to maximise his efficiency.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
Bowes managed to escape the worst of the carnage. He also knocked his middle stump flying in the the low scoring Leeds test in 1938 though not before Bradman played the match defining innings.
So it looks like Bradman's average against Bowes is a classic example of where statistics don't always tell the full story. Most of these dismissals were after Bradman had already played match defining innings (304, 244 and 103 in a low scoring match). Not quite sure how he consistently managed to avoid all the carnage though.
 

ankitj

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Charles Davis picks up a small anomaly but the quoted stat is 8 dismissals for 401 runs, one of the best records v Bradman for any type of bowler.
Close. Bedser's record is 6 dismissals for 243 runs, so a 40 ave v Bradman against Verity's 50. However you'd have to say Verity's effort had a degree of difficulty bcos it was achieved against pre war Bradman. From memory the best is Bowes who had 5 dismissals for about 170 runs i think. Far and away the best v Bradman.
If you are referring to cricinfo then you are looking at batting averages in innings where the bowler dismissed Bradman, rather than head to head batting average vs. the bowler.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
If so, Bowes record against Bradman is pretty weird as Bowes played in the 4th and 5th Tests of the 1934 series in which Bradman made consecutive scores of 304 and 244. I guess he also bowled to Bradman in the Bodyline series and the first half of the 1934 series in which Bradman was sick.
To add a bit more depth to this...

For some considerable time before the voyage out from Australia, Bradman felt very unwell and was in some doubt as to whether he was well enough to go on the tour. Therefore at his own expense, Bradman went to the leading physician in Adelaide to ask if he could find anything wrong. Nothing was found, but the physician did say that Bradman was very run down and badly in need of a rest. Although he agreed that Bradman was well enough to go on the tour, he didn't wish the great batsman to play any matches at all until he got to England.

On arrival at England, Bradman was still very unwell, suffering regular migranes and lameness, but as no one could find anything wrong, he played. His form suffered early in the tour, with just two centuries and 952 runs at 52.94 by July 13th, a disastrous return by his meteoric standards. However, Bradman's health seemed to improve for a time when he found his form in the Fourth Test, scoring a triple century, again at Leeds, and with Bill Ponsford putting on 388 in a record fourth wicket partnership. In the Fifth Test, Bradman made 244 and Ponsford 266, their partnership of 451 was the highest ever made in Test cricket. Seemingly restored to full health and tip top form, Bradman hammered two more centuries in the final two games of the tour.

However, upon returning to London to prepare for the voyage back to Australia, he experienced severe abdominal pain. It took more than 24 hours of detailed scrutiny and observation for the doctors to diagnose acute appendicitis and a surgeon had little choice but to operate immediately. Unfortunately, the four hour operation caused serious complications and his condition worsened into peritonitis, which in those days, with penicillin and modern antibiotics still a long way off, regularly proved fatal. On 25 September, the hospital issued a statement that Bradman was struggling for his life.

Bradman's wife Jessie started a month-long journey to London as soon as she received the precarious news. While en route, in Melbourne, she heard a rumour that her husband had died. However, she was a woman with a rather optimistic view of life and refused to believe it, but decided to ring the hospital to confirm. Of course he wasn't dead so she continued her voyage. By the time she reached London, Bradman had begun the slow road to recovery, but was still very weak. He followed medical advice to convalesce, and upon returning to Australia took several months rest at his wife's father's farm in New South Wales, and he missed the entire 1934–35 season in addition to a tour of South Africa which did not take place until nearly 12 months afterwards.
 

a massive zebra

International Captain
If you are referring to cricinfo then you are looking at batting averages in innings where the bowler dismissed Bradman, rather than head to head batting average vs. the bowler.
That clearly isn't his source as Bradman made scores of 304, 244 and 103 in separate innings when dismissed by Bowes and yet the big bambino's source states Bradman only scored about 170 runs against Bowes. I believe the Australian statistician Charles Davis has used original scorebooks to calculate the averages of individual players split by bowler faced.
 
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the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
If you are referring to cricinfo then you are looking at batting averages in innings where the bowler dismissed Bradman, rather than head to head batting average vs. the bowler.
Stats are from Irving Rosenwater and Charles Davis not cricinfo.
 

the big bambino

Cricketer Of The Year
That clearly isn't his source as Bradman made scores of 304, 244 and 103 in separate innings when dismissed by Bowes and yet the big bambino's source states Bradman only scored about 170 runs against Bowes. I believe the Australian statistician Charles Davis has used original scorebooks to calculate the averages of individual players split by bowler faced.
He's done test match reconstructions, which i take to mean he has re scored the tests ball by ball. In fact he has recompiled each innings and each ball. Its pretty hard to read and thankfully he compiled the head to head scores. I down loaded them as soon as i found them as I'd been looking for Bradman's HTH for years. Luckily i did as some of the HTH stats have disappeared into a 404 error.
 
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akilana

International 12th Man
I'd think you'd have be a bit better than 'rubbish-to-okayish' to take 14 wickets in a test. I mean, no one from, for example, South Africa has done it. A really, appallingly silly argument when Murali and Vaas took 50 out of the 60 West Indian wickets in the series. Sounds like a visitor from the school of bollocks as usual.
Sounds like a stupid argument you would make without reading. How does it prove this was a great spin bowling attack?
 

akilana

International 12th Man
That's very harsh on Sri Lanka's GOAT seamer Chaminda Vaas who was in fine form during that series!
It is not but that’s for a different thread. Vaas being good in that series doesn’t make it a great spin bowling unit. 1 Lilee and 3 Ashwins don’t make a great pace bowling attack.
 

trundler

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We are talking Murali in SL. There hasn't been a deadlier combination of suitable conditions and skill except matting wickets and Barnes.
 

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