Waqar Younis vs Javed Mianded

[capt_Luffy]

concede Lloyd>Younis, or else..

Dude..... Don't act like @sayon basak . He is a teenager with raging hormones.

 

[Johan]

Dude..... Don't act like @sayon basak . He is a teenager with raging hormones.

I don't know, I'm bored.

But yeah I'll take Lloyd over Younis

 

[BazBall21]

I love Lloyd, but him over Williamson and Younis I don't agree with (Flower as well, but that's very much debatable)

Decidedly better away record than Kane and still very productive at home. Don't think Flower is proven enough v quality pace to beat Hubert but we've established our stances there.

Lloyd v Younis... I just think both were excellent in Asia and Lloyd was definitely better v pace.

Longevity isn't an issue for Lloyd too. He was around forever and never tailed off.

 

[sayon basak]

Dude..... Don't act like @sayon basak . He is a teenager with raging hormones.

I don't have hormones. I'm 5'6.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Decidedly better away record than Kane and still very productive at home. Don't think Flower is proven enough v quality pace to beat Hubert but we've established our stances there.

Lloyd v Younis... I just think both were excellent in Asia and Lloyd was definitely better v pace.

Longevity isn't an issue for Lloyd too. He was around forever and never tailed off.

Williamson have played away in big countries in prime really seldom. His home record is just a different level to Lloyd. Overall, I don't think even Lloyd can cover that 8 runs difference in average.

Younis wasn't just Great, he arguably is the best ever vs spinners.

 

[Johan]

Lloyd vs Younis against spin isn't a mismatch, Lloyd vs Younis against pace is a mismatch

 

[BazBall21]

Williamson have played away in big countries in prime really seldom. His home record is just a different level to Lloyd. Overall, I don't think even Lloyd can cover that 8 runs difference in average.

Younis wasn't just Great, he arguably is the best ever vs spinners.

Kane rarely playing away in big countries has contributed to the 8 run difference you specified. That&being ruthless v poor attacks whom he has faced a lot. Obviously that isn't a weakness in isolation, but Lloyd's considerably better away record is more critical to me.

Lloyd's record in India is intimidating. He is an ATG v spin too.

 

[Silver Silva]

Success in Pakistan with the ball is a less frequent art than success in Pakistan with the bat so Waqar is a bigger point of difference.

If you grow up in such conditions your style of bowling adapts ..Waqar averaged higher with the ball in Australia, England , New Zealand , South Africa etc than he did in Pakistan , his style of bowling suited abrasive pitches found in Pakistan because he mastered Yorkers and reverse swing.

 

[BazBall21]

If you grow up in such conditions your style of bowling adapts ..Waqar averaged higher with the ball in Australia, England , New Zealand , South Africa etc than he did in Pakistan , his style of bowling suited abrasive pitches found in Pakistan because he mastered Yorkers and reverse swing.

Obviously that is all true. It is still a valuable and infrequent skill. @trundler mentioned this and he's correct. Growing up in Asia does give you a better chance of thriving there than growing up elsewhere but Pakistan pitches are often the flattest in the world and being very penetrative there is a bigger challenge and thus point of difference than most countries.

 

[subshakerz]

If you grow up in such conditions your style of bowling adapts ..Waqar averaged higher with the ball in Australia, England , New Zealand , South Africa etc than he did in Pakistan , his style of bowling suited abrasive pitches found in Pakistan because he mastered Yorkers and reverse swing.

Waqars style was suited pretty well for England too.

 

[BazBall21]

Yeah he didn't suit Australia. It is true that Asian greats are notoriously monsters at home and that's natural but thriving there is still a rarer skill.

 

[Coronis]

If you grow up in such conditions your style of bowling adapts ..Waqar averaged higher with the ball in Australia, England , New Zealand , South Africa etc than he did in Pakistan , his style of bowling suited abrasive pitches found in Pakistan because he mastered Yorkers and reverse swing.

A good yorker should be good anywhere.

 

[BazBall21]

A good yorker should be good anywhere.

Reverse swing surely makes it harder to keep out