Waqar Younis vs Javed Mianded

[Prince EWS]

Technically not

In test cricket you win only if you get bowl out the opposition.

You can also win if Ben Stokes is the opposition captain.

 

[Van_Sri]

Many wouldn't agree, but think Lloyd was also better than Javed.

In New Zealand Miandad was better than Lloyd

 

[Van_Sri]

Clive Lloyd Javed Miandad

 

[Van_Sri]

Clive Lloyd Except his Poor Performance in New Zealand was as good as Miandad in most of the countries.

 

[Prince EWS]

Bangladesh in the 2000's weren't minnows.

The team he played against had one batsman (Habibul) who finished with a Test average over 30, and their entire bowling attack averaged over 55.

BAN vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 1st Test at Dhaka, January 09 - 11, 2002

Get cricket scorecard of 1st Test, BAN vs PAK, Pakistan tour of Bangladesh 2001/02 at Bangabandhu National Stadium, Dhaka dated January 09 - 11, 2002.

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[subshakerz]

Lloyd deserved a 50 average.

 

[BazBall21]

Lloyd deserved a 50 average.

Averaged 50 in the last 12 years of his test career. Had a wobbly start.

 

[Johan]

Lloyd deserved a 50 average.

I'll take Lloyd over a few 50 avg bats.

 

[BazBall21]

I'll take Lloyd over a few 50 avg bats.

Hayden, Hussey, Younis, Yousuf, Chanderpaul, Williamson, Flower.

There's a couple of others worth considering too.

 

[Johan]

Hayden, Hussey, Younis, Yousuf, Chanderpaul, Williamson, Flower.

There's a couple of others worth considering too.

Miandad vs Lloyd could be a good debate if people try to look past the average difference.

 

[BazBall21]

Miandad vs Lloyd could be a good debate if people try to look past the average difference.

Javed will win but it's an interesting one. Lloyd has a slightly better overseas record.

Clive thrives in these exercises too:

Average in away tests with a below average runs-per-wicket:

Lloyd 41
Miandad 32

Average in innings where the rest of the team are averaging 30 or below runs per wicket:

Lloyd 48
Miandad 35

Obviously neither exercise isn't without its issues but he stood up a lot when the Windies suffered bad starts.

 

[Coronis]

Lloyd deserved a 50 average.

People who deserve a 50 average usually get it

 

[BazBall21]

People who deserve a 50 average usually get it

He can be better than players who averaged 50+

 

[Johan]

"deserve" isn't really a thing, but the fact that people like Lloyd who average 46 and people like Crowe who average 45 are often rated above people who average over 50 is a display of just how overrated the obsession with 50 average is imo

 

[BazBall21]

Two of the best since 1970 to average below 50 and better than several players who averaged 50+.

 

[Coronis]

He can be better than players who averaged 50+

Oh I agree. Doesn’t mean he “deserved” a 50+ average

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hayden, Hussey, Younis, Yousuf, Chanderpaul, Williamson, Flower.

There's a couple of others worth considering too.

I love Lloyd, but him over Williamson and Younis I don't agree with (Flower as well, but that's very much debatable)

 

[capt_Luffy]

But yeah, Lloyd>Greenidge easily for me

 

[Johan]

I love Lloyd, but him over Williamson and Younis I don't agree with (Flower as well, but that's very much debatable)

concede Lloyd>Younis, or else..

 

[Johan]

But yeah, Lloyd>Greenidge easily for me

Greenidge is horribly overrated