Johan
International Vice-Captain
England, his big runs in England are both on some very very flat draws, his Windies record is better than it looks.
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Waqar Younis vs Javed Mianded
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DrWolverine
International Debutant
Javed Miandad
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
Problem is even though Pakistan isn’t seam friendly, all of Imran Wasim and Waqar have done better at home than away. Even Kapil Dev did the same. Asian pacers getting brownie points for Asian conditions is hard when these guys do much better home than away.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Lot? Miandad would be around Top 20-25 I guess
BazBall21
International Captain
Success in Pakistan with the ball is a less frequent art than success in Pakistan with the bat so Waqar is a bigger point of difference.
Many players in World Cricket were there before and after Miandad who can do what he did, but Waqar is rare to find in Cricket
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
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Viv, Gavaskar, Chappell, Border are better than Miandad.
Ambrose, Wasim, Donald, McGrath are better than Waqar. If you count spinners, Warne comes in. Murali debuted a little later though and was more of 2000s great but can be counted too.
From their respective era:-
Viv, Gavaskar, Chappell, Border are better than Miandad.
Ambrose, Wasim, Donald, McGrath are better than Waqar. If you count spinners, Warne comes in. Murali debuted a little later though and was more of 2000s great but can be counted too.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Between 1975-2000; Pakistan had like 3 ATG bowlers but they had only one ATG batsman.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
Lloyd's away record in India and Australia is stunning.
That’s why they were powerful because of good bowling.
Rob Wesley
School Boy/Girl Cricketer
A lot of fast bowlers have achieved success in Pakistan. Cummins, Steyn, Anderson all have achieved success via reverse swing. I think India and SL are more spin dominated countries. Pakistan is usually flat or has something for pacers. Nowadays, they have switched to spin following the footsteps of Indian cricket.
BazBall21
International Captain
Yeah he was decent in England too. Batting down the order is somewhat restrictive of status but he had the strike rate, didn't pad not outs, and scored a lot of runs when the Windies suffered a bad start.
BazBall21
International Captain
Obviously seamers thriving in Pakistan is not unprecedented but it's not frequent.
Coronis
International Coach
Murali debuted 7 months after Warne. 4 months after Donald. And over a year prior to McGrath.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Bowlers win matches
Coronis
International Coach
So do batsmen.
DrWolverine
International Debutant
Technically not
In test cricket you win only if you get bowl out the opposition. In ODIs/T20s you win if you score more runs than the other team
In test cricket you win only if you get bowl out the opposition. In ODIs/T20s you win if you score more runs than the other team
Both win matches but a world class bowlers are difficult to get, they are the best athletes in the cricket as they run
and do bowling, Waqar was one of the deadliest sights in the early 90s
kyear2
International Coach
Many wouldn't agree, but think Lloyd was also better than Javed.