Viv Richards vs Steve Smith

[Coronis]

Post-peak only

So Viv after England in WI 80/81, Smith after Ashes 2019

Viv
77 matches 114 innings 4571 @ 43.12 11 tons 29 50’s

Smith
48 matches 82 innings 3298 @ 45.17 10 tons 14 fifties

 

[Johan]

inconclusive. Smith has a couple more years to go.

 

[Coronis]

inconclusive. Smith has a couple more years to go.

Assume he retires tomorrow, Viv had an almost 17 year career (WSC interrupted) and Smith has an almost 15 year career (Sandpaper interrupted) and they have similar match numbers overall.

 

[Johan]

Assume he retires tomorrow.

I guess either way then? tho Smith seems in middle of renaissance so who knows.

 

[Bolo.]

Assume he retires tomorrow, Viv had an almost 17 year career (WSC interrupted) and Smith has an almost 15 year career (Sandpaper interrupted) and they have similar match numbers overall.

Smith was also dropped for a couple of years at the start of hia career.

 

[Johan]

ngl, it looks like Smith had a relatively less rough post peak than people like Viv/Sachin/Ponting.

 

[Coronis]

ngl, it looks like Smith had a relatively less rough post peak than people like Viv/Sachin/Ponting.

I feel it gets talked about more though. Like more relatively. Though that may just be current bias.

 

[Johan]

I feel it gets talked about more though. Like more relatively. Though that may just be current bias.

Agreed.

Viv (late 1981-1991) [without SL]

77 matches, 4571 @ 43.12, 40.1 Run-per-inning

Sachin (late 2002-2013) [without Ban]

91 matches, 6408 runs @ 45.1, 41 run per inning

Smith (late 2019-2025)

48 matches, 3298 @ 45.1, 40.2 run per inning.

Given eras, Smith might have the least 'bad" post peak.

 

[DrWolverine]

Isn’t the current era considered a bowling era? Then Smith’s numbers should be even more impressive.

 

[Johan]

Yeah considering pitch spiciness it should be Smith>Viv>Tend>>>Ponting post peak wise

 

[Johan]

then again...

Viv


Smith

 

[kyear2]

Agreed.

Viv (late 1981-1991) [without SL]

77 matches, 4571 @ 43.12, 40.1 Run-per-inning

Sachin (late 2002-2013) [without Ban]

91 matches, 6408 runs @ 45.1, 41 run per inning

Smith (late 2019-2025)

48 matches, 3298 @ 45.1, 40.2 run per inning.

Given eras, Smith might have the least 'bad" post peak.

Those are eerily similar.

Viv still had to deal with helpful pitches and Hadlee and Imran.

Smith too had peak Bumrah in that last series, but series like this one in-between.

Sachin had McWarne of course but really didn't exactly thrive vs them during that time. And it was literally the season pitch era.

 

[kyear2]

then again...

Viv

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Smith
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Point made.

 

[subshakerz]

Isn’t the current era considered a bowling era? Then Smith’s numbers should be even more impressive.

Yeah but his peak was almost entirely batting friendly era. So we are inherently rewarding him for not being as successful when bowling got tougher.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Yeah but his peak was almost entirely batting friendly era. So we are inherently rewarding him for not being as successful when bowling got tougher.

You can't, in good conscience, expect him to average 65+ in a bowling Era as well

 

[subshakerz]

You can't, in good conscience, expect him to average 65+ in a bowling Era as well

Better than 45?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Better than 45?

45 is Very good for post peak in a tough Era

 

[subshakerz]

Those are eerily similar.

Viv still had to deal with helpful pitches and Hadlee and Imran.

Smith too had peak Bumrah in that last series, but series like this one in-between.

Sachin had McWarne of course but really didn't exactly thrive vs them during that time. And it was literally the season pitch era.

Tendulkar may not have had as big a peak as Smith or Viv, but he basically had a decade from 1993 to 2002 averaging over 60.

 

[subshakerz]

45 is Very good for post peak in a tough Era

Yeah but peak ending in good era is what is sort of odd in terms of timing.

 

[Johan]

Tendulkar beats Viv on the basis of longetivity, I don't think there's any skill or quality gap.