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Viv Richards & Allan Donald vs Brian Lara & Curtly Ambrose

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Johan

Johan

International Captain
subshakerz said:
He doesn't suck against medium pace. He has a particular bogie part time bowler who he sucked against.
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his struggle is simple that both spinner and pacer can tap into, a delivery slightly off the off stump that seams or spins inside, there's a reason both Murali and Cronje came to this conclusion.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Johan said:
his struggle is simple that both spinner and pacer can tap into, a delivery slightly off the off stump that seams or spins inside, there's a reason both Murali and Cronje came to this conclusion.
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Several pacers and spinners he faced had that as a common delivery and he still scored.
 
Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

U19 Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
A) bring it up normally in Lara related threads like this
B) I rank Lara at the same level, 7 or 8
C) no because use we are talking completely different sets of flaws. For example, Lara having issues with Kumble is relevant to an argument about his skills against spin. Tendulkars issues against Cronje is irrelevant to an argument of him against high quality pace.
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A. You bring him up every chance you get.

C. No, the spin argument is irrelevant because Kumble is not an atg spinner he's great but not remotely in the same league as Warne/Murali. You lot are just finding one player lara scored less against and making a mountain out of it in overall context to make a stupid point. Can I say Lara had success vs quality pace because he made runs vs Gillespie. No because pace wise he was just as rapid (see 1999 series) as Donald in 98 or the Ws in 97 but quality wise, he's not in their league.

And you very well understand the Sachin point but keep playing the fool. Lara struggled vs pacey flatter spinners, then Sachin struggled vs medium pacers. Is that better??
 
Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

U19 Vice-Captain
Johan said:
wait isn't sucking against medium pace worse than sucking against high pace? the prior are more common
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Subz is yet, to this day, still unable to name the quality pacemen that Sachin and Lara both faced where Sachin did significantly better. Yes, Sachin has 100s vs Donald and the Ws but both players still averaged in the 30s. Bring in Bond and it's the same.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Sliferxxxx said:
Subz is yet, to this day, still unable to name the quality pacemen that Sachin and Lara both faced where Sachin did significantly better. Yes, Sachin has 100s vs Donald and the Ws but both players still averaged in the 30s. Bring in Bond and it's the same.
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I like how you change goalposts. You yourself admitted Sachin did better btw and the point always was that while Sachin didn't dominate them, Lara struggled against them.

Do you really want to rehash this?
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Sliferxxxx said:
So why can't Kumble be the same for Lara? Because Lara slaughtered pacier spinners like Tufnell and Kaneria. See there you go with the hypocrisy...
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Because it wasn't just Kumble, it was by his own admission flat spinners like Harbi and Saqlain too.

Sliferxxxx said:
A. You bring him up every chance you get.

C. No, the spin argument is irrelevant because Kumble is not an atg spinner he's great but not remotely in the same league as Warne/Murali. You lot are just finding one player lara scored less against and making a mountain out of it in overall context to make a stupid point. Can I say Lara had success vs quality pace because he made runs vs Gillespie. No because pace wise he was just as rapid (see 1999 series) as Donald in 98 or the Ws in 97 but quality wise, he's not in their league.

And you very well understand the Sachin point but keep playing the fool. Lara struggled vs pacey flatter spinners, then Sachin struggled vs medium pacers. Is that better??
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I bring it up in Lara discussions. And this time you brought it up, not me.

And Kumble is a great spinner and in the top half dozen ever. Stop comparing him to Cronje. And I have been explicit to say Lara wasn't weak against these flat spinners but just found them harder to get on top of. So it's a minor blemish if anything.

Sachin didn't struggle against medium pacers. That's a non starter.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
subshakerz said:
Because it wasn't just Kumble, it was by his own admission flat spinners like Harbi and Saqlain too.


I bring it up in Lara discussions. And this time you brought it up, not me.

And Kumble is a great spinner and in the top half dozen ever. Stop comparing him to Cronje. And I have been explicit to say Lara wasn't weak against these flat spinners but just found them harder to get on top of. So it's a minor blemish if anything.

Sachin didn't struggle against medium pacers. That's a non starter.
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Huh, when did that happen?
 
Sliferxxxx

Sliferxxxx

U19 Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
Because it wasn't just Kumble, it was by his own admission flat spinners like Harbi and Saqlain too.


I bring it up in Lara discussions. And this time you brought it up, not me.

And Kumble is a great spinner and in the top half dozen ever. Stop comparing him to Cronje. And I have been explicit to say Lara wasn't weak against these flat spinners but just found them harder to get on top of. So it's a minor blemish if anything.

Sachin didn't struggle against medium pacers. That's a non starter.
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Ok then the bold part is fine. Phew, there is hope for you yet...
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Sliferxxxx said:
Ok then the bold part is fine. Phew, there is hope for you yet...
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The Kumble flat spinners thing came in the context of a thread on best players of spin and it was fair game to bring it up if he had certain difficulties dominating them that Sehwag did not. I am glad more posters are now aware of it.
 
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