tuffey vs harmison

[chicane]

And Harmison also impressed Australian viewers as a rookie...

Yeah but what were his figures? Sure he's got talent and obviosly as a rookie people saw great things for him but what happened later?

So because he's allegedly done better in his first 4 games then Harmison did in his, he's better than Harmison when you add all Harmison's other games and superb figures into the equation?

Pathan has improved tremendously just within these 4 games. And he's shown some mettle against the best team in the world. He also outclassed Pakistan's pacers and was a match for Shoaib. Harmison needs to do it against the very best (i.e Australia and India). Both are very talented but so far in his short career, Pathan looks like he'll be way more consistent.

 

[twctopcat]

I for one am not doubting the talent of Pathan, he is obviously a clever bowler with a degree of control at such a rookie phase of his career. Let's leave it a couple of years to see how both him and Harmison progress, it's a bit of a leap to say he's gonna be far more consistent than harmison, everyone has peaks and troughs, pathan hasn't encountered one as yet.

 

[badgerhair]

Both are very talented but so far in his short career, Pathan looks like he'll be way more consistent.

Self-contradiction here. How can you make any prediction about consistency from such a small sample?

Pathan certainly looks to be the goods. Let's see how he gets on. After all, so did Narendra Hirwani.

Cheers,

Mike

 

[biased indian]

Obvious - it shows that either the Bangladeshi's are better than some give them credit for or that the wickets in the Windies are really flat so wicket-taking is impossible...

only explanasion w.I bowlers are worse than english so they lost
three matches in which the bowlers had an advantage
while the fourth which was good for batting was draw

 

[chicane]

Self-contradiction here. How can you make any prediction about consistency from such a small sample?

There's something about him. He was picked for the national side straight from the u-19's and having played hardly any first class cricket, after his performance in the Asia u-19 cup. Then, all of a sudden, he's pitted against the best team in the world at home and asked to open the bowling, and the rest is history. That's why he's special.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Both Harmison and Pathan, in my opinion, have the potential to be right up there with the all time greats once their careers end.

They (seem to) have that something about them. I've not seen Pathan, but from all accounts he can produce it when it matters... we're in a bit of a lull for pace bowling right now - Donald, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose, Walsh, Gough, McGrath et al are in the twilights of their careers, and it's time to see who the next generation will be.

Some people seem unable to accept the passing of the old guard.. but I say, who's going to be the seamers who in ten years time will be looked at as names that can't be matched, who children aged six and seven today will be looking at in awe in the same way we do to the above men.

Australia - Not Brett Lee! Shaun Tait? Mitchell Johnson (if he stays fit)? Dave Hoitink?
Engand - [Obviously I'll get a longer list of candidates here] - Steve Harmison, Tim Bresnan, David Stiff, Liam Plunkett, Sajid Mahmood (less so Jones/Anderson/Hoggard - don't think they have the potential to be more than very good)
India - Irfan Pathan (less so Balaji again, don't think he'll be top drawer)
Pakistan - There's about nine hundred who could, I guess - not Junaid Zia, for sure!
Sri Lanka - Looking more than a little thin - if Maharoof's all they have then bye-bye
Bangladesh - Long way to go yet!
Zimbabwe - Erm
South Africa - Mfuneko Ngam, should he stay fit..
New Zealand - not looking overly hot from what I've just seen.

 

[superkingdave]

There's something about him. He was picked for the national side straight from the u-19's and having played hardly any first class cricket, after his performance in the Asia u-19 cup. Then, all of a sudden, he's pitted against the best team in the world at home and asked to open the bowling, and the rest is history. That's why he's special.

Special he may be but the point was nothing to do with specialness it was pointing out that its impossible to tell whether someone is going to be consistent/inconsistent after 4 matches

 

[tooextracool]

There's something about him. He was picked for the national side straight from the u-19's and having played hardly any first class cricket, after his performance in the Asia u-19 cup. Then, all of a sudden, he's pitted against the best team in the world at home and asked to open the bowling, and the rest is history. That's why he's special.

okay this is getting ridiculous...how can you rate pathan better than harmison just because "there is something about him"???
hes played 5 matches in which he has looked a good bowler but thats it....harmison has got outstanding figures to his name, what does pathan have? oh he performed respectably against the aussies thats right.
oh and you can predict that pathan is going to be more consistent?so your a soothsayer too now?
in case you havent been watching cricket over the last year or so there was another bowler very similar to pathan in that he was only 20 years old and there was a major hype all over england about him. yes he too supposedly had something special about him and in fact has an ODI hatrick to his name.....take a guess?he cant even make the english 11 these days!

 

[chicane]

Special he may be but the point was nothing to do with specialness it was pointing out that its impossible to tell whether someone is going to be consistent/inconsistent after 4 matches

Well he's special that's why I think he'll be more consistent! Harmison has just found himself and now he's living up to his potential.

 

[Tom Halsey]

me and hlasley have been debating this on msn.Tuffeys better,just check the stats.

What do you think now?

 

[chicane]

okay this is getting ridiculous...how can you rate pathan better than harmison just because "there is something about him"???
hes played 5 matches in which he has looked a good bowler but thats it....harmison has got outstanding figures to his name, what does pathan have? oh he performed respectably against the aussies thats right.
oh and you can predict that pathan is going to be more consistent?so your a soothsayer too now?
in case you havent been watching cricket over the last year or so there was another bowler very similar to pathan in that he was only 20 years old and there was a major hype all over england about him. yes he too supposedly had something special about him and in fact has an ODI hatrick to his name.....take a guess?he cant even make the english 11 these days!

Those 'respectable figures' are in fact outstanding for a rookie. What does Pathan have?! Oh......... There's not much to separate Pathan and Harmison and I guess most think both are going to finish with spectacular careers. And about those outstanding figures, how long has it taken Harmison to get them? Pathan has played just 5 matches and AGAIN against AUSTRALIA and PAKISTAN. Take that in context and those figures are outstanding for a rookie.

 

[chicane]

India - Irfan Pathan (less so Balaji again, don't think he'll be top drawer)
Sri Lanka - Looking more than a little thin - if Maharoof's all they have then bye-bye

India - Munaf Patel (no doubting the potential)
Sri Lanka - Dilhara Fernando (though he has to improve)

 

[tooextracool]

And about those outstanding figures, how long has it taken Harmison to get them?.

the thing that you continually fail to consider despite 100s of users telling you so is that harmison has modified his action since the start of his career and his now a completely different bowler!harmison has accominplished something....pathan hasnt yet!

Pathan has played just 5 matches and AGAIN against AUSTRALIA and PAKISTAN. Take that in context and those figures are outstanding for a rookie.

yeah that average of 38 is outstanding!

 

[chicane]

the thing that you continually fail to consider despite 100s of users telling you so is that harmison has modified his action since the start of his career and his now a completely different bowler!harmison has accominplished something....pathan hasnt yet!

So where have I said Harmison is poor or he's not a different bowler? You have a habit of not reading the posts carefully and you just can't understand simple things.

yeah that average of 38 is outstanding!

You'll never get it.

 

[marc71178]

There's not much to separate Pathan and Harmison.

But that's the thing - there is a large gap at the moment...

 

[chicane]

But that's the thing - there is a large gap at the moment...

Back that up with some facts please. Prove it.

 

[marc71178]

Erm, Harmison being ranked number 2 in the World.

Harmison's average being 25 against 38...

 

[luckyeddie]

I for one am not doubting the talent of Pathan, he is obviously a clever bowler with a degree of control at such a rookie phase of his career. Let's leave it a couple of years to see how both him and Harmison progress, it's a bit of a leap to say he's gonna be far more consistent than harmison, everyone has peaks and troughs, pathan hasn't encountered one as yet.

You're no fun any more.

This has the possibility of becoming one of the most puerile, pathetic Cricket Web threads of all time and as such deserves to be persevered with.

 

[luckyeddie]

Self-contradiction here. How can you make any prediction about consistency from such a small sample?

Pathan certainly looks to be the goods. Let's see how he gets on. After all, so did Narendra Hirwani.

Cheers,

Mike

Ajit Agarkar looked as though he was going to be the greatest ODI bowler of all time.

What am I saying? He is.

 

[tooextracool]

So where have I said Harmison is poor or he's not a different bowler? You have a habit of not reading the posts carefully and you just can't understand simple things.

by different i meant that harmison has become a much better bowler in recent times because of that new action.... not that he bowls differently from pathan...good god!!and he tells me i cant read