To End All Arguements

[Neil Pickup]

Neil - Grammer Nazi.

Grammar.

 

[V Reddy]

Grammar.

 

[Kenny]

It will decrease b'coz he bats in the middle order Also it is not possible for him to keep that avg up if hee bats in the middle order

He bats in the 'middle order'??
What, 6, 7??

I don't think so, but nice try.

 

[ReallyCrazy]

I can't beleive there are still ppl in this world like kenny and don ricardo who dont rate ganguly...even after seeing his record. He has scored over 9000 runs and a person cannot score 9000 runs if he is not good. I have heard enough of this short-pitch rubbish (as has Ganguly). In the first test, India were 62/3 with both Dravid and Tendulkar out. What did Sourav do? OH yeeaahhh he came and scored a century and took India way past the Australian first innings score. Wasn't he able to cope with the "chin-music"?

I'm sure he will blaze in the finals and then you guys will not have anything to say :rolleyes:

 

[Gaijin-san]

Well then, you may find out that it's best not to make ****y statements you have no control over.

 

[marc71178]

I find it hilarious that this thread has descended into an argument!

Ironic!

 

[anzac]

I find it hilarious that this thread has descended into an argument!

Ironic!

yep..........but you have to admit that the title was just aching for it to do so............:rolleyes: :duh:

 

[Kenny]

I can't beleive there are still ppl in this world like kenny and don ricardo who dont rate ganguly...

No no, I do rate him - I just don't think he is as good as the rest of the Indian batting line-up or most of the Aussies for that matter, but that still makes him good!!
I am willing to bet the bulk of those 9000 runs have been scored on the sub-continent, where there is minimal pace and bounce......of course it is still a fine achievement to score that many runs but I still feel he is suspect against good, aggressive fast bowling on anything other than a flat piece of concrete.

That has been my argument all along.

 

[Jono]

Kenny, did you not read my post? Look carefully, NEVER ONCE did I get into the argument between who is the better batsman, Ponting or Ganguly. I simply stated the argument that the ENTIRE INDIAN CRICKET TEAM, that obviously including Dravid, Laxman and Tendulkar, have not just achieved success because of the flat tracks, believe it or not those 3 batsman do actually have talent.

I never took part in the Ponting/Ganguly topic. Try again sir, try again.

Oh on a side note, remember when you told me to "butt the F out"? when I made a post not even related to you, that's where this whole thing started. I didn't even know you were on the board until you swore at me, so you can continue these childish games because I'm done, and off to the final on Friday.

 

[Sanz]

I do feel now that bouncers are allowed in ODI Ponting, who is an excellent and confident player of hooks and pulls, will exceed Ganguly in terms especially of average.
I also think the gap in 50's and 100's will close even if the number of games does not.

Not Quite true - Ponting's avg at a bouncy fast track like Perth is almost half of his ODI avg. His avg against quality SA attack isn't impressive either. Also. If Ponting plays more matches on spinning tracks, his avg will be much lower than Gangs. Yes Ponting is a better player of fast bowling, But Gangs is better player of Spin.

To me it seems that Ponting is a flat track bully who can neither play at fast and bouncy track nor on spinning tracks.

Reality Check http://statserver.cricket.org/perl/...ayerid=2024&comparetype=bat_summary&compare=1

 

[Sanz]

No no, I do rate him - I just don't think he is as good as the rest of the Indian batting line-up or most of the Aussies for that matter, but that still makes him good!!

I agree Ganguly not being better than LAX, Sachin,Dravid but there is no comparison between Ganguly and most Australian batsmen. Only one who can come close to him is Ponting.

I am willing to bet the bulk of those 9000 runs have been scored on the sub-continent, where there is minimal pace and bounce......of course it is still a fine achievement to score that many runs but I still feel he is suspect against good, aggressive fast bowling on anything other than a flat piece of concrete.

And I can bet Bulk of Ponting's run were scored in Australia in conditions familiar to him and I am very sure that he is suspect against half decent spin bowling. (watch him bat against 3rd class spinners like Ray Price, & Murali Karthik).

Btw - being such a great player shouldn't Ponting be able to play on the flat tracks as well ?

 

[ReallyCrazy]

In ODIs, ganguly is better than laxman and dravid.

in tests, he is not as good as them.

 

[Neil Pickup]

Jono & Kenny - enough of who started it and whose fault it is - just allow it to drop. If you have anything further to say to each other, take it to email.

Sanz - Ray Price? Third class spinner? Not seen much of him of late, clearly. He's as good as any other Slow left armer in the World today.

 

[aussie_beater]

I am willing to bet the bulk of those 9000 runs have been scored on the sub-continent, where there is minimal pace and bounce......of course it is still a fine achievement to score that many runs but I still feel he is suspect against good, aggressive fast bowling on anything other than a flat piece of concrete.

That has been my argument all along.

And what is the definition of "bulk" in your dictionary ??

Ganguly's stats in the subcontinent is like this -

India - 2468 runs
SL - 1021 runs
Sharjah - 725 runs
Bangladesh - 659 runs
Pakistan - 115 runs
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Total - 4988

That's 54 % of his total runs scored in ODIs, which is a fair number I think given the fact that those sub-continental venues account for approx. 50 % of ODI matches played in the world.

 

[Sanz]

Sanz - Ray Price? Third class spinner? Not seen much of him of late, clearly. He's as good as any other Slow left armer in the World today.

Neil - AFAIK, Ray Price is not a world class spinner, Left arm or not. I dont think there are many Left arm slow bowlers in the world right now and being the best among Boje, Karthik, Peterson, Md. Raffique etc doesn't mean much to me.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I'm not calling him World Class - but for me he's as good as Dan Vettori - which is definitely better than third rate.

 

[Sanz]

I knew I was missing one name, thanks for adding that.Okay he is not a third rate spinner, but as you said he isn't world class either and Ponting has struggled against them every time he has faced them really tells a lot of his technique against spin.

 

[PY]

To me it seems that Ponting is a flat track bully who can neither play at fast and bouncy track nor on spinning tracks.

That just made a bad day a whole lot better for me.

 

[Kenny]

I agree Ganguly not being better than LAX, Sachin,Dravid but there is no comparison between Ganguly and most Australian batsmen. Only one who can come close to him is Ponting.

Well, statistically speaking in test cricket all of the Australian top 7 have better averages than Gangers (who averages 41).......Hayden, Gilchrist and Ponting (and Steve Waugh) all average 50 or over - Martyn's is around 46, and Langer 44. Katich, although it is early days for him, currently averages 60!

Ganguly does has a very good ODI average of 42.68.....however, the Aussie line up compares favourably with this:
Clarke 41.69
Hayden 41.00
Ponting 41.74
Bevan 54.63
Gilchrist 36.33 (93.97 S/R)
Martyn 40.92
Lehmann 39.33

Averages aren't everything, but clearly the assertation that "only Ponting comes close to him" is absurd.

 

[Kenny]

Jono & Kenny - enough of who started it and whose fault it is - just allow it to drop. If you have anything further to say to each other, take it to email.

Fair enough Neil - I believe I made my point successfully anyway. I am more than prepared to start again with Jono in a normal, friendly manner if he will reciprocate. OK?