To End All Arguements

[bennyr]

Neil's spot on. I am jealous of his talents and his ability to annoy the crap out of Australians.

With posts like this, you may well be jealous of his talents, but neither yourself nor Neil has anything to be jealous about in terms of ability to annoy Australians.

 

[PY]

 

[Neil Pickup]

Score! 8D

 

[Craig]

Wasn't a big fan of him before this series, but anyone who can annoy Aussies as much as this guy has gotta be doing something right!

8D

And PY isn't calling Saurav a jealous guy, he's just jealous of his talent I guess

Neil - Chairman and President of the Anti-Australia Asscoiation.

Neil - Grammer Nazi.

 

[Kenny]

Ahh, the never ending Ganguly argument.

As Masterblaster has meticulously pointed out, Ganguly has an enviable ODI record - the guy is just a bloody good one day player.

He is also a great competitive and inspirational leader. And like many great competitive captains of the past, he pushes the rules and sometimes crosses the line. This isn't to be encouraged or admired, but having admired a string of Australian captains with similar qualities (Ian Chappell, Steve Waugh) I reckon he's great.

I take great offence at the comparison to Ian Chappell and Steve Waugh.....and haven't we established that Ganguly has played a disproportionate amount of ODI cricket against the minnows of the game?
Comments about short pitched bowling not being allowed in ODI until recently are also valid in relation to his performances.

And Jono - I just love the way you take the moral high ground as if you didn't participate in the argument yourself.

 

[Don Ricardo]

Personally I love to watch Ganguly bat properly because he's incredibly stylish.

Yeah, the way he turns his head and ducks into bouncers with his bat hanging in the air is all style

 

[Andre]

Ganguly simply cant play short pitched bowling thats aimed at his thoat- if u watched the vb series u would see that he has been out to meek fends every innings in the last couple of weeks.

People say he is an excellent odi batsman and his average does suport it- one thing to consider, however, is that for most of his career bouncers have not been allowed in odis and technically deficient batsmen like himself have been able to prosper. Now that the short stuff is allowed he is not nearly as comfortable, and i would predict that in the future his record outside of the subcontinent is going to tailspin as a result. For evidence of this look how he is playing now- roughed up by blignaut et al (when a batsman begins to get out the same way a number of times there must be some serious danger signs about future prosperity)

Excellent point - and also a reason that Michael Bevan has struggled to be the player he was in recent years.

All well and good that people say Ganguly doesn't struggle against quality chin music - but the fact remains, the amount of times he has been hit on the helmet suggests he infact does not watch the ball as it heads towards his body.

This accounts for a high number of dismissals.

Sure - a lot of batsmen do struggle against good short-pitched bowling, but people are only being naive and stupid when they try to deny that Ganguly is one of them.

Facts don't lie.

 

[NikhilN]

a fine captain

dream on....

 

[Don Ricardo]

The only good things about ganguly's captaincy are his ability to irritate opponents and his ability to galvinise his team.

From a purely cricketing perspective, however, he is a rubbish tactition. He often seems to have his bowlers bowling from the wrong ends ( so the wind hurts rather than helps their swing/drift), he is way too defensive (especially in the tests- easy runs with the field back for new batsmen) and he sets a pitiful example in the field.

 

[bennyr]

I take great offence at the comparison to Ian Chappell and Steve Waugh

Why?

All three men have led their countries with passion and commitment, and have occasionally crossed the line in terms of sportsmanship and the rules.

This is what I meant by this comparison. Do you dispute this?

 

[Jono]

What the hell are you talking about Kenny? I never mentioned Ganguly once (regarding this argument) in the VB series topic. If I did it has definitely slipped my memory so I invite you to prove me wrong.

I argued that this concensus that ALL Indian batsman cannot play on bouncy pitches was wrong, not Ganguly.

Kenny you obviously have some grudge against me, whether it be because I support India (who you seem to hate beyond all measure) or whatever, just get over it.

 

[Kenny]

Well there's this post for a start, which took me about 1 minute to find -

Stop turning this into some war of words trying to pick at each other's country. Arrogance on both sides is getting ridiculous. Blaming the flat tracks on India's great test series is even more ridiculous.



Again, I just love it when someone has a crack, then backs off and pleads innocence - you had a go at me buddy, which is fine, but don't turn around later and say "Oh, you must have a grudge against me"
And I don't hate India, or any cricket side for that matter. So YOU get over whatever it was that caused you to attack me in the first place, otherwise we can just go on and on.

 

[Kenny]

And below is another post where YOU had a go at me Mr Innocence.
Still want to feign surprise about why I am firing back, slick?




Remember the first game of the TVS Cup where Australia collapsed pathetically against India? Why was that? Because they weren't used to the low bouncing pitches, but once they got used to them, and adjusted they prevailed. The same could be said about India (maybe not prevailing, but giving a challenge most definitely) however they just threw in 2 WACA matches out of no where, how are the Indian batsman supposed to adjust? To criticse the Indian batting line up when they have proved to be one of the best in the world, arguably the best challenging Australia's, is ridiculous.
These posts are becoming the same as the ones that were at the start of the test and VB series topic. Remember those? Remember how stupid you looked? Shall I quote?

 

[Kenny]

And yet another......

Then again maybe I shouldn't expect too much from one such as yourself


Yeah you're a real cleanskin Jono......no stirring from you at all.

 

[anzac]

hell......not participating in the VB thread I've been missing all the fun & games - all the bitchiness & cat fights - reminds me of the good old days down on the terraces eh boys!!!!!!

now for my 2 bob on the subject.....

I admire his batting record, but I do not think he has been anything like his best for a few seasons now;
I believe he still is suspect to good short deliveries - as can many batsmen;
I think his captaincy is about getting the team together, but he lacks as a tactician & application in the field;
some of his gamesmanship annoys me much as Ranatunga's did - perhaps other exponents are more discreet?????????
I do enjoy that he takes on the opposition with his gamesmanship - even if it does annoy me............

the point that IMO targets him more than any other Indian batsman is that he is seen as being the most expendable in the middle order, yet can not be replaced because of his being the Captain - ie debates re Sehwag & Yuvraj................

 

[BlackCap_Fan]

Take the last series of 7 innings for about 20 runs out and then you will find that he averages more than 40. All the batsman struggled in that series

sehwag didnt,no reason why the other batsmen couldnt perform.

 

[thierry henry]

Any comments about Ganguly's record VS the minnows is irrelevant. His stats prove that his combined record against the top 7 other test playing nations is excellent.

He is one of the top 10 ODI batsman of all time, for sure. It is simply absurd to argue about a players ability when he has such a record. At the moment Ponting's record doesn't quite compare, but maybe it will in a few years.

 

[PY]

hell......not participating in the VB thread I've been missing all the fun & games - all the bitchiness & cat fights - reminds me of the good old days down on the terraces eh boys!!!!!!

 

[Kenny]

Actually, in an overall sense, and discounting the fact that Ganguly has played just over 50 more games, their records are remarkably similar!!


M Runs Avge 100's 50's S/R
Ponting 192 6805 41.74 15 32 77.32
Ganguly 242 9135 42.68 22 53 75.00


I do feel now that bouncers are allowed in ODI Ponting, who is an excellent and confident player of hooks and pulls, will exceed Ganguly in terms especially of average.
I also think the gap in 50's and 100's will close even if the number of games does not.

 

[V Reddy]

Actually, in an overall sense, and discounting the fact that Ganguly has played just over 50 more games, their records are remarkably similar!!


M Runs Avge 100's 50's S/R
Ponting 192 6805 41.74 15 32 77.32
Ganguly 242 9135 42.68 22 53 75.00


I do feel now that bouncers are allowed in ODI Ponting, who is an excellent and confident player of hooks and pulls, will exceed Ganguly in terms especially of average.
I also think the gap in 50's and 100's will close even if the number of games does not.

It will decrease b'coz he bats in the middle order now as Sehwag can't bat in the middle order. That rule has been applied 2-3 yrs ago but the problem has really started surfacing in this series. It was well known that he is not a good player of Short ball for a long time and in every series bouncers have been bowled at him. Look at the test series for instance, Warne warned him that he will get CHIN MUSIC but he coped with it well. I expect him to find a way in the finals. Also it is not possible for him to keep that avg up if hee bats in the middle order as he is mainly a boundary hitter and not a player like Dravid, Bevan ,etc,. who are good at picking up ones and two's . He is not a good runner. But i expect his avg to be still above 40.