The most underrated and overrated players in CricketWeb

[the big bambino]

Have to say that rating by Sobers of Gupte is impressive. I wonder if he changed his mind seeing Warne and Murali?

 

[sayon basak]

Garry also called Mahadevan Sathasivam "the best batsman ever", a batsman who played only 11 FC matches and averaged 41. Some of his takes were very strange indeed.

 

[ankitj]

Another thread where the answer is Jadeja

 

[capt_Luffy]

Another thread where the answer is Jadeja

Jadeja unironically is a good answer for both.....

 

[sayon basak]

Jadeja unironically is a good answer for both.....

Underrated outside cw
Overrated in.....NO.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Jadeja > Ashwin

definitely underrated

 

[trundler]

Out of the modern bats- Dravid, Waugh and Root I feel are especially underrated here

Oh great it's become the name ATG but not S tier players thread again. All of these guys are rated in the top 25 batsmen which is where they belong.

 

[Thala_0710]

Oh great it's become the name ATG but not S tier players thread again. All of these guys are rated in the top 25 batsmen which is where they belong.

I meant in terms of their contemporaries. Have seen multiple instances of people putting Sanga in a tier above Dravid, or putting Williamson above Root, which to me is blasphemous. Sanga, Kallis etc might me better but aren't simply a tier above him, and no way is Williamson a better test bat than Root.

 

[TheJediBrah]

putting Williamson above Root

Please find whoever you saw say that and send them to their local emergency immediately they need a CT brain

 

[peterhrt]

Garry also called Mahadevan Sathasivam "the best batsman ever", a batsman who played only 11 FC matches and averaged 41. Some of his takes were very strange indeed.

Sobers never saw Sathasivam play. They were kindred spirits who enjoyed a drink. He was probably referencing an earlier comment by Worrell which became exaggerated over time. What Worrell actually said was that Sathasivam would have made a World XI in 1950. Ghulam Ahmed thought the Ceylonese was the best batsman he bowled to, and that a double century against Southern India in 1947 was the greatest innings of his experience. Ceylon did not always pick Sathasivam in his youth due to off-field antics.

Regarding Gupte, Sobers said he was the best wrist-spinner he faced. In 2016 he added that Gupte was superior to Warne in terms of flight, variation and being more difficult to pick. Laker and Prasanna also reckoned Gupte was the leading wrist-spinner among those they had seen. The downside seems to have been a tendency to become disheartened when things didn't go his way.

 

[Coronis]

Sobers never saw Sathasivam play. They were kindred spirits who enjoyed a drink. He was probably referencing an earlier comment by Worrell which became exaggerated over time. What Worrell actually said was that Sathasivam would have made a World XI in 1950. Ghulam Ahmed thought the Ceylonese was the best batsman he bowled to, and that a double century against Southern India in 1947 was the greatest innings of his experience. Ceylon did not always pick Sathasivam in his youth due to off-field antics.

Regarding Gupte, Sobers said he was the best wrist-spinner he faced. In 2016 he added that Gupte was superior to Warne in terms of flight, variation and being more difficult to pick. Laker and Prasanna also reckoned Gupte was the leading wrist-spinner among those they had seen. The downside seems to have been a tendency to become disheartened when things didn't go his way.

Quite odd. He only played Gupte in a single series in India in 58/59. Gupte dismissed Sobers once in 5 tests, for 4 runs.

Gupte had 22 @ 42 for the series, with 9 wickets coming in one innings where he dismissed Sobers. (10 total in that match, oddly the 9’fer was in a first innings)

Sobers had 557 @ 92 for the series.

 

[Starfighter]

Quite odd. He only played Gupte in a single series in India in 58/59. Gupte dismissed Sobers once in 5 tests, for 4 runs.

Having read a couple of Sobers' books, he has a real case of Neil Harvey-esque 'in my day'-ism. I don't take his player ratings that seriously. IIRC this also extended to some of his other opinions on the game as well.

 

[peterhrt]

Quite odd. He only played Gupte in a single series in India in 58/59. Gupte dismissed Sobers once in 5 tests, for 4 runs.

Gupte had 22 @ 42 for the series, with 9 wickets coming in one innings where he dismissed Sobers. (10 total in that match, oddly the 9’fer was in a first innings)

Sobers had 557 @ 92 for the series.

They also met at Hastings in 1959 when Sobers represented AER Gilligan's XI. Gupte turned out for Trinidad against Barbados in 1964 but Sobers wasn't playing.

Gupte suffered quite a lot from dropped catches. Had the keeper not dropped Lance Gibbs he would have taken all ten in a Test innings.

 

[peterhrt]

Another thing to bear in mind is that Sobers' endorsement of Gupte was interpreted by some as a put-down at Benaud's expense.

Shortly before, Benaud had said that Kanhai was the world's best batsman, not Sobers.

 

[Coronis]

Another thing to bear in mind is that Sobers' endorsement of Gupte was interpreted by some as a put-down at Benaud's expense.

Shortly before, Benaud had said that Kanhai was the world's best batsman, not Sobers.

Awesome if true. Quality pettiness.

 

[sayon basak]

Another thing to bear in mind is that Sobers' endorsement of Gupte was interpreted by some as a put-down at Benaud's expense.

Shortly before, Benaud had said that Kanhai was the world's best batsman, not Sobers.

Yeah, a certain batsman also named his son Rohan, so this might have been true.

 

[palehorse]

Suspect against strong pace attacks imo

He had his weaknesses, but did reasonably well in Asia when Kumble and Murali were destroying careers of visiting batsmen. Deserves a little more respect than he gets here.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Please find whoever you saw say that and send them to their local emergency immediately they need a CT brain

@Fuller Pilch

Though I must add, Williamson was ranked higher than Root (and Kohli) in the most recent CW Test batsman poll like 3 months ago.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

@Fuller Pilch

Though I must add, Williamson was ranked higher than Root (and Kohli) in the most recent CW Test batsman poll like 3 months ago.

Don’t think he’s rated higher generally tbf. Lost the polls.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Don’t think he’s rated higher generally tbf. Lost the polls.

That's a strange phenomenon.