TheJediBrah
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Disagree. Stroking jadeja is underrated.
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The most underrated and overrated players in CricketWeb
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TheJediBrah
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Jadeja. And still underrated
kyear2
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Actually agree with most of this list, especially the overrated part.
Assuming Sobers is there for his bowling, if not I disagree (Trueman, Lindwall, Davidson, Benaud, quartet, Snow etc etc). Kallis, think he's a little under rated, especially for the cumulative all rounder crowd. When Sobers is (rightly) top 2, and other all rounders up there as well, how is Kallis at best mid teens? But yes, the over rated list is good, especially the top 2.
With regards to the lower over rated list
Yeah, the very early 70's was weak, but wouldn't diminish the entire era.
Definitely all rounders, the forum overly elevates them
For the last one, I agree, primarily for bowlers. Batsmen, lesser extent, and also very subjective to supporting class. But if you just slowly accumulated runs while the team burned around you or played for yourself, then yes.
The underated list is much more hit and miss for me, but appreciated seeing Ponting and Lloyd in there. Don't see how Bradman or Ashwin are under rated. In many ways I think they are very similar.
And yes, under rated? specialists apparently.
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kyear2
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For the most terrifying and genuinely difficult era for batsmen, he was the terrifying one. He changed games and helped to create a dynasty.
There was possibly only two more difficult places to bat than Pakistan and Australia in the late '70's early 80's and those were possibly his two greatest series.
The disrespect is laughable at this point. Not sure he wasn't the 2nd best batsman to have played the game, definitely on the short list.
sayon basak
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How do we define bad or good face? Doesn't make any sense to me.
sayon basak
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Stroking Jadeja>>>>>strokes Jadeja imo.
kyear2
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Agree Imran slots in at 2nd, at worst top 4 (I include Gilly as an all rounder), that doesn't automatically make you top 3 player ever.
Definte tier below the top 3 guys, and for me clearly behind Steyn and Ambrose as well and possibly the two spinners.
Same way Kallis isn't top 3, don't see how he can be.
I will acknowledge that I have understated the impact of his lower order batting, but it's also over hyped by many, and despite the arguments there was a bit of downhill skiing and the numbers are soft.
That being said, yeah all rounder 2nd (Gilly has an argument though), all round cricketer I have him below Kallis and as an overall cricketer don't see how he's no. 3, though definitely top 10. Just my opinion obviously.
kyear2
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Definitely.
kyear2
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sayon basak
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I meant top 3 all rounders (or you might be referring to the cw's greatest cricketers list I'm not sure). But I don't see him anywhere below top 6 or 7 and an overall better cricketer than Gilchrist. Imran's numbers would be Way better if he actually played for 9 years.
kyear2
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Yeah, definitely top 3 as an all rounder.
Meant top 10 as an over all cricketer. Even though he rates ahead of Hadlee as an all rounder, Hadlee for me is well ahead as a cricketer.
And re top 6 / 7?
I have
Bradman
Sobers
Marshall
Hobbs
McGrath
Hadlee
Richards
Tendulkar
Ahead of him, Warne and him probably finishes off the top 10.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
sayon basak
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Wouldn't rate McGrath ahead of Imran. It's close in primary discipline and Imran was a pretty good batsman.
kyear2
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I don't think it's close, Marshall and McGrath and quite clearly (imo) the two best bowlers ever, Hadlee comes closest, but nah. Don't think Imran's even in that conversation.
capt_Luffy
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Yet Sobers>Don......
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kyear2
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About the 5th time I'm saying this.
It changes, even in the names just listed Don was no. 1.
But even if....
Sobers is arguably the 2nd best batsman ever and definitely in that top tier of contenders.
He's also easily seen as the best all rounder and all round cricketer ever, who contributed at all 3 levels of the game.
So an absolute top tier batsman and slip fielder and close catcher in general and as a bowler he carried out every role from opening, to bowling marathon spells into the wind, every style from pace to swing to wrist and finger spin.
So yes Bradman is the greatest batsman ever, but what about the guy who's next in line, could catch flies and did everything imaginable with the ball? He's ATG at 2 disciplines and the most versatile ever in the 3rd.
With all that being said, as I said at the start, Bradman has the pole position for the spot.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Sobers' batting is not close to Don..... I don't need to tell you that. I don't think it's really debatable whether Imran is a closer to McGrath as a bowler or Sobers to Don. That pretty much raps this whole fiasco.
GIMH
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Never really kicked on from their stellar debut album
TheJediBrah
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Who tf got kyear2 started again