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The atmosphere in Cricket Chat - Suggestions & Discussion

Son Of Coco

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
It would've been nice this week if someone had simply started a 'Tendulkar vs _______' thread and all of the comparisons could've gone in the one spot. Tendulkar vs Mangoes would have to remain out on its own though.

I tend to ignore threads I don't think I'll be interested in too, although it was slightly annoying to have a first page dominated by 'Tendulkar vs (insert name here)' threads that was probably only because it was so predictable.
 

pasag

RTDAS
LOL, I think what you find is that as soon as you make a special thread for this stuff, no one wants to talk about it anymore. It's as if there's a certain thrill when it comes to discussing Warne vs Murali in a Pokemon thread.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I think the mods need to do more, tbh.. I am trying to comply to what SS and James said here about not taking names but there was a certain guy whose posts I kept on reporting.. It was obvious he was an incident waiting to happen and yet we waited for, what, 2 or 3 weeks before banning him..


Some guys are so obviously biased and **** stirring based on nationalities.. Juz ban them for a week when you see things getting out of hand.. Agree with what pasag said about having mods for CC who will be more active in CC.


I myself cannot do the job as I access this from work and I can't be going around reading everything and there are often days I never get on CW... But I think if others can, they should be given a shot.


I don't really agree with the seperate subforum idea for the reasons Jack mentioned..
 

Zinzan

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Some guys are so obviously biased and **** stirring based on nationalities.. Juz ban them for a week when you see things getting out of hand.. Agree with what pasag said about having mods for CC who will be more active in CC.
Agree with that 100%, it's near impossible to debate rationally with those obviously bias & full of emotions

There's no doubt the dynamics have changed here in recent times ( I joined in '05), I suppose this happens with most forums/institutions as they evolve over time & clearly CW's no exception. From my perspective, it is unfortunate that there seems to be a few precious & popular views held (these days) that appear to be almost 'taboo' or sacrilege to challenge/question or debate with offending, yet many of those offended express their views in a contrary/paralleled fashion & all seems okay, so I would ask moderators & other members to be cognitive of the hypocrisy that does exist. This is a great shame because some of us really do enjoy engaging in robust debate in a rationale manner.

I shouldn't paint such a bleak picture because fortunately there's only a couple of these areas on the forum that appear to be 'no-go' zones & overall CW is still clearly the top cricket forum out there.

In terms of suggestions, I agree reckon the player v player sub-forum is a great idea, certainly it'd put a stop to what's happened to the front page in the last couple of days.
 

Zinzan

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It would've been nice this week if someone had simply started a 'Tendulkar vs _______' thread and all of the comparisons could've gone in the one spot. Tendulkar vs Mangoes would have to remain out on its own though.
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Agree with this, especially in regards to the Mango thread :cool:
 

Flem274*

123/5
In terms of stricter moderating, it would be more intensive sure, but maybe made easier if we had at least one mod from (or at least a regular poster about) each top eight nation? That way we'd have eyes everywhere so even if SS doesnt read WI vs SL much or Clapo doesnt read Taylor vs Collingwood, there would be someone who would.
 

Craig

World Traveller
I personally think SJS would make a great mod. But being a mod must be at times a thankless task? It is something that I have never been interested or wanting to do.
 
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SJS

Hall of Fame Member
Here is my two pennies worth. Please excuse me if the long winded post sounds like it cost more but I have very firm views on the matter and have brought it up online and off it many times over the last 4-5 years.

Here are some of my opinions which colour my views.

1. CC is the best part of this site and I wouldn’t be on this site if it weren’t for CC to start with. I will be surprised if that is not true for many others.

2. It is impossible to avoid discussions (which is what we should ideally be having here) turning into arguments which then degenerate into verbal wars.

3. Statistics are an integral part of cricket discussion and debate. To try to curb the use of stats is childish. The problem does not lie with the use of stats, it is with the attitude of some posters which turn discussions to arguments to verbal fisticuffs.

4. To create a sub forum sounds like a good idea to start with as do all quick fixes but unfortunately, like most quick fixes, it does not tackle the real issue. Comparing players great or mediocre, present or past is one of the oldest topics of discussion amongst cricketers and cricket lovers. To send it to a sub-forum in the hope that those posts and arguments we are irritated with will be away from our ‘pristine’ CC is to deny those of us who want to talk and discuss these issues too. And if we were to go to the sub-forum designated then how have we solved the problem.

5. Someone has mentioned my name for posting more often since it brings down the ‘temperature’ as it were. Thanks for the compliment but honestly I do it because it is about myself. I love to ‘talk’ to guys here and if the debate is moving in a direction that makes me feel “this is not the place where I want to spend my time” I try to do my bit to ‘clean it up’ if I can. I do it for myself trust me. It allows me to say something worthwhile PLUS, I hope, it puts some sense into some of the guys. Maybe my age helps but I am not so sure thats the main reason. I think there are many senior members of CW who could do the same. At a Pinch I could name (to use their onsite names) Fredfertang, JBMac, BoyBrumby and ArchieMac. There are others who fall in the same category.

6. I will now let you into a ‘subversive act’ that i once tried to initiate.

I was once so disgusted with the atmosphere that had developed on CC that I wrote an e-mail to Sean suggesting we form a private forum of select CW members where we could have a decent, informed discussion amongst knowledgeable and objective cricket lovers. Nothing came of it but the idea gives a clue to what we ned here. A more active role by those who are not the ones creating the problem we are discussing here. One SJS posting more often is not a complete solution. There are many others who could post more often, time permitting of course.

7. I think our moderates do a very good and most importantly thankless job. In fact some of them have ‘transformed’ themselves since they came on the staff :-). Having said that we tend to be too lax with some habitual trouble creators. We dont have to wait for some one to indulge in blatant abuse or racism to ban them. There are some trouble makers who do not cross the barriers of parliamentary language and yet are responsible for a lot of problems here. The moderators (and the owners) need to be smarter rather than sticklers for some ‘guidelines’ before taking action. Trust me if someone appears to be a person you feel is becoming irksome he surely is. If he does it again and again you need not hesitate. A spot in the ‘cooler’ does most of them some good. Those who are incorrigible can be eventually banned for good.

8. I do not like the idea of closing good threads because some idiots are ruining the place. Thats a perfect example of throwing the baby out with the water. Lets be strong enough to take the tougher decisions. My sincere apologies James for sounding off here but being Chief Executive is also about being able to take unpopular decisions at times.

9. We need to be able to differentiate between newcomer trouble makers and older ones. The standards of debate on many cricket forums on the net is obnoxious. It is possible that we may get new members who are not used to our higher standards (and the standards we are here discussing). They need to be told with the politeness due to newcomers, repeatedly if required to allow them to get used to our culture. The bigger problem is the older trouble makers. We need to be tougher with them for their own sake PLUS for the bad example they set for the new comers. How can we tell new-comers we dont allow nonsense here when some of our senior most (in longevity) are themselves indisciplined and not checked as strongly as they should be.

Thats all I can think of at the moment :)
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Here is my two pennies worth. Please excuse me if the long winded post sounds like it cost more but I have very firm views on the matter and have brought it up online and off it many times over the last 4-5 years.

Here are some of my opinions which colour my views.

1. CC is the best part of this site and I wouldn’t be on this site if it weren’t for CC to start with. I will be surprised if that is not true for many others.

2. It is impossible to avoid discussions (which is what we should ideally be having here) turning into arguments which then degenerate into verbal wars.

3. Statistics are an integral part of cricket discussion and debate. To try to curb the use of stats is childish. The problem does not lie with the use of stats, it is with the attitude of some posters which turn discussions to arguments to verbal fisticuffs.

4. To create a sub forum sounds like a good idea to start with as do all quick fixes but unfortunately, like most quick fixes, it does not tackle the real issue. Comparing players great or mediocre, present or past is one of the oldest topics of discussion amongst cricketers and cricket lovers. To send it to a sub-forum in the hope that those posts and arguments we are irritated with will be away from our ‘pristine’ CC is to deny those of us who want to talk and discuss these issues too. And if we were to go to the sub-forum designated then how have we solved the problem.

5. Someone has mentioned my name for posting more often since it brings down the ‘temperature’ as it were. Thanks for the compliment but honestly I do it because it is about myself. I love to ‘talk’ to guys here and if the debate is moving in a direction that makes me feel “this is not the place where I want to spend my time” I try to do my bit to ‘clean it up’ if I can. I do it for myself trust me. It allows me to say something worthwhile PLUS, I hope, it puts some sense into some of the guys. Maybe my age helps but I am not so sure thats the main reason. I think there are many senior members of CW who could do the same. At a Pinch I could name (to use their onsite names) Fredfertang, JBMac, BoyBrumby and ArchieMac. There are others who fall in the same category.

6. I will now let you into a ‘subversive act’ that i once tried to initiate.

I was once so disgusted with the atmosphere that had developed on CC that I wrote an e-mail to Sean suggesting we form a private forum of select CW members where we could have a decent, informed discussion amongst knowledgeable and objective cricket lovers. Nothing came of it but the idea gives a clue to what we ned here. A more active role by those who are not the ones creating the problem we are discussing here. One SJS posting more often is not a complete solution. There are many others who could post more often, time permitting of course.

7. I think our moderates do a very good and most importantly thankless job. In fact some of them have ‘transformed’ themselves since they came on the staff :-). Having said that we tend to be too lax with some habitual trouble creators. We dont have to wait for some one to indulge in blatant abuse or racism to ban them. There are some trouble makers who do not cross the barriers of parliamentary language and yet are responsible for a lot of problems here. The moderators (and the owners) need to be smarter rather than sticklers for some ‘guidelines’ before taking action. Trust me if someone appears to be a person you feel is becoming irksome he surely is. If he does it again and again you need not hesitate. A spot in the ‘cooler’ does most of them some good. Those who are incorrigible can be eventually banned for good.

8. I do not like the idea of closing good threads because some idiots are ruining the place. Thats a perfect example of throwing the baby out with the water. Lets be strong enough to take the tougher decisions. My sincere apologies James for sounding off here but being Chief Executive is also about being able to take unpopular decisions at times.
We need to be able to differentiate between newcomer trouble makers and older ones. The standards of debate on many cricket forums on the net is obnoxious. It is possible that we may get new members who are not used to our higher standards (and the standards we are here discussing). They need to be told with the politeness due to newcomers, repeatedly if required to allow them to get used to our culture. The bigger problem is the older trouble makers. We need to be tougher with them for their own sake PLUS for the bad example they set for the new comers. How can we tell new-comers we dont allow nonsense here when some of our senior most (in longevity) are themselves indisciplined and not checked as strongly as they should be.

Thats all I can think of at the moment :)
lol.. u make every thread where you post useless, SJS... You say everything that needs to be said, in the manner it needs to be said. Honestly, there is mostly no point posting in threads after you, coz all we can do is agree with you.. :)
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
PS : I have 37 people on my ignore list as of this point in time. Some of them were later banned and some others had to be taken off the list since they joined the CW staff and I could not ignore their posts.

The point of mentioning this here is that not having these people in my "CC experience" has not made that experience any lesser for me. On the other hand it has done me a lot of good.
For one, it makes me reach the 'better' posts faster. At times I have a dozen 'useless' posts reduced to the one line space of ignored posters and can see just a couple of posts per page. I am glad for that.

Two, I get much fewer chances of losing my own temper and trust me I hate losing my cool. :)

Finally, I do not waste my time getting into debates that finally lead nowhere.

I think banning some of the trouble makers must do that good to the overall community.

In other words, I suggest a "Universal Ignore Pool" managed by someone in CW (James ?) - why not eh :)
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
lol.. u make every thread where you post useless, SJS... You say everything that needs to be said, in the manner it needs to be said. Honestly, there is mostly no point posting in threads after you, coz all we can do is agree with you.. :)
Thats a left handed compliment if ever there was one HB :laugh:
 

Noble One

International Vice-Captain
Overall I find Cricket Chat to be a wonderful melting pot of differing views, biased beliefs and nationalistic pride.

Generally a good thread will create good discussion free of constant trolling and pointless quote wars. Take the thread "Rank the world's first class completions in order", we have a wonderful mix of views and descriptions of the structures of many first class and club cricket structures throughout the world. That is a thread worth reading compared to Richards v Tendulkar or Why did Tony Greig call Brett Lee a girl ,while commentating for an ODI?.

Unsure how to fix forum atmosphere. I agree that there has been some average posting of late, some blatant trolling, some poorly thought out topics, and far too much usage of the smilies in posts by some members (my biggest gripe).

For more experienced members does this forum tend to go through peaks and troughs? All it may take is a couple of high class posters to join / come back, and some of the dead wood to disappear and things may change completely.
 

pasag

RTDAS
I personally think SJS would make a great mod. But being a mod must be at times a thankless task? It is something that I have never been interested or wanting to do.
No he wouldn't because he comes and goes. We need mods that are going to stick around.

TBF, I don't think we need more aggressive moderating I think we need the right type of moderating. Moderating that is constantly there and can gently ensure that the forum is on the right track. There's a fine line between that and stifling debate.
 

James

Cricket Web Owner
Just a quick note to say that I'm reading every post carefully, and I really appreciate the thought and honest comments everyone is putting in to try and make the forum a better place for all concerned.

I agree with a lot that has been said, and I'm sure most of the mods do too. As a lot of you would be aware, the mod team has changed a lot over the years and we've cracked down at various times and perhaps let things slide other times when we shouldn't. There's a happy medium there somewhere and hopefully it can be found.

My sincere apologies James for sounding off here but being Chief Executive is also about being able to take unpopular decisions at times.
There's no need for anyone to apologise for the sort of post SJS made. Just don't get personal with attacks on members, myself or the mod team.
 

pasag

RTDAS
Overall I find Cricket Chat to be a wonderful melting pot of differing views, biased beliefs and nationalistic pride.

Generally a good thread will create good discussion free of constant trolling and pointless quote wars. Take the thread "Rank the world's first class completions in order", we have a wonderful mix of views and descriptions of the structures of many first class and club cricket structures throughout the world. That is a thread worth reading compared to Richards v Tendulkar or Why did Tony Greig call Brett Lee a girl ,while commentating for an ODI?.

Unsure how to fix forum atmosphere. I agree that there has been some average posting of late, some blatant trolling, some poorly thought out topics, and far too much usage of the smilies in posts by some members (my biggest gripe).

For more experienced members does this forum tend to go through peaks and troughs? All it may take is a couple of high class posters to join / come back, and some of the dead wood to disappear and things may change completely.
Definitely, it's always up and down depending on the posters. And you really cant do much about that, when a Burgey and Uppercut come along the places rises a notch and when those types of posters leave it goes down a notch. No amount of changes to the forum from a moderating point of view will change the fact that it's the posters that make it.
 

GotSpin

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
I still blame all the v. threads (apart from the mango one). They're all eventually going to pit nationality against nationality and this will inevitability lead to continuous argument back and forth over the respective representative of their nation.
 

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