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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Man, watching Jayasuriya take apart our bowlers, esp. Venky Prasad was like a rite of passage growing up. :laugh:

Anwar used to do it for fun too. And even Chanderpaul used to open against us and smash our opening bowlers. Boy, we sucked against left handed openers back then.
 

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
Given that they didn't go back to before 1900 because there wasn't enough international cricket before then, it seems odd to pick Bradman for 1936, when in Test cricket in that year Grimmett took 33 wickets in his 3 matches, Fingleton scored 4 hundreds in consecutive innings, Hammond scored 167, 217, 5*, 0, 25 and 231*; while Bradman scored 38, 0, 0, 82 and captained Australia to 2 defeats.

(If "1936" is supposed to include all of the 1936-7 season, Bradman becomes an obvious choice - but since Hammond was picked in 1929 and Larwood in 1933, presumably largely for their Ashes tours in the previous winters, this seems unlikely to be the case).
 

TheJediBrah

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Chris Harris was exactly the type of bowler Australia hated. You don't get his type of bowling in local Aus cricket. They would be 1000x more comfortable against Flintoff and not surprising that the stats reflect that. Add in a slow pitch and it's a no-brainer that Harris > Flintoff if you're selecting a team to play against Aus.
 

Gob

International Coach
Chris Harris was exactly the type of bowler Australia hated. You don't get his type of bowling in local Aus cricket. They would be 1000x more comfortable against Flintoff and not surprising that the stats reflect that. Add in a slow pitch and it's a no-brainer that Harris > Flintoff if you're selecting a team to play against Aus.
I'm going to blow a gasket here
 

Red

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I'm sorry I don't get triggered much by any cricket related things these days but I loathe bits and pieces cricketers
Why? Guys who can bowl a full quota at an economical rate as well as bat decently and field really well are gold in an ODI team's balance.
 

Gob

International Coach
Why? Guys who can bowl a full quota at an economical rate as well as bat decently and field really well are gold in an ODI team's balance.
You shouldn't (fine i'll rephrase it I won't but you can if you want) pick bits and pieces players when you have properly good players at one discipline and when you pick ATG sides, you have a very large pool of players to select so if I'm going to pick and all rounder, I'll pick some one who is legitimately good in one aspect (Flintoff for bowling or Watson for batting) over some one who is mediocre over both aspects but at equal amounts
 

Flem274*

123/5
harris was more of a role player anyway. nz needed someone else down the order for the death overs who could bowl a few overs and harris averaged 50 in nz fc with the bat, could roll the arm over and was one of the greatest fielders of all time so they gave him a look.

when his troll bowling worked better than expected, they did the obvious and spammed it, declaring him an allrounder.

he's obviously not better than flintoff (who i often put in my all time odi side) but real world teams are selected as much with balance in mind as pure runs and wickets charts. it's why players like stokes, mccullum, haddin, root and even an atg like smith in the subcontinent have bounced around the order a bit over the years. with an all time side you have the luxury of not needing to worry about that.
 

Migara

International Coach
Chris Harris was exactly the type of bowler Australia hated. You don't get his type of bowling in local Aus cricket. They would be 1000x more comfortable against Flintoff and not surprising that the stats reflect that. Add in a slow pitch and it's a no-brainer that Harris > Flintoff if you're selecting a team to play against Aus.
This has some merit. Stats wise Harris has done much better than Flintoff or Klusener. But on a subcontinental wicket I think Shakib or Jadeja would hit it. On Aussie conditions I'd like to throw in Abdul Razzaq, who was pretty special against Aussies. Once again he had things Aussies hate as a bowler, boeling full, swinging it, reverse swinginging it and plenty of yorkers and slower balls.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
There was this game in 1998 or 99, I think, where Doull was bowling and someone hit the ball in the air, went miles up and Harris was under it. Doull was literally crying "Harry, Harry" and Harris dropped it. I had watched Home Alone 2 the same day just before this happened and one of the bad guys in that movie shouts "Harry, Harry" when he is being taken down. 13 year old me thought it was weirdly funny.
 

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
All time NZ ODI specialists' XI vs NZ allrounders' XI

Specialists
Glenn Turner
Martin Guptill
Kane Williamson (c)
Martin Crowe
Ross Taylor
Roger Twose
Ian Smith (wk)
Kyle Mills
Shane Bond
Trent Boult
Ewen Chatfield

(Crowe, Twose, and Williamson to share 5th bowler role).

Allrounders
Nathan Astle
Brendon McCullum (c, wk)
Scott Styris
Grant Elliot
Jeremy Coney/Craig McMillan
Chris Cairns
Chris Harris
Jacob Oram
CDG/Neesham/ C Anderson/Santner/N McCullum
Richard Hadlee
Daniel Vettori
 
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CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
Man, watching Jayasuriya take apart our bowlers, esp. Venky Prasad was like a rite of passage growing up. :laugh:

Anwar used to do it for fun too. And even Chanderpaul used to open against us and smash our opening bowlers. Boy, we sucked against left handed openers back then.
Hayden, Gilchrist, Andy Flower too. Our bowlers sucked against all left-handers back then. Not sure about Kirsten and Tresco.
 

Gob

International Coach
Bald guys

Jayasuria
Gibbs
Amla
Lara
Lehman
Harris
Prior
Best
Bollinger
Lyon
Martin

Vs

Funky/Long hair guys

Waugh M
Afridi
Watson
Pietersen
Clarke
Dhoni
Cairns
Miller C
Gillespie
Malinga
Akthar
 

bagapath

International Captain
Baldies XI

Sanath Jayasuria
Virendra Sehwag
Hashim Amla
Brian Lara
Jacques Kallis
Darren Lehman
Matt Prior +
Vernon Philander
Frank Tyson
Bill O'Reilly
Dennis Lillee
 

Gob

International Coach
Delicious looking dudes XI (must have been done before and probs by me)

Steve Fleming
Rahul Dravid
Jaques Kallis (strictly from the mid 90s)
Damien Martyn
MS Dhoni
Imran Khan
Shahid Afridi
Dan Vettori
Pat Cummins
Brett Lee
Shane Bond
 

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