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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
Trying to remember the first ever World XI I picked after seeing Garry Sobers do it in a newspaper. Must have been 1974. A bit England heavy and probably could have been better, but such is life.

Boycott
Gavaskar
Chappell I
Chappell G
LLoyd
Greig
Knott
Snow
Lillee
Underwood
Bedi
 

Flametree

International 12th Man
Trying to remember the first ever World XI I picked after seeing Garry Sobers do it in a newspaper. Must have been 1974. A bit England heavy and probably could have been better, but such is life.

Boycott
Gavaskar
Chappell I
Chappell G
LLoyd
Greig
Knott
Snow
Lillee
Underwood
Bedi
If it was 1974, then interesting you went with Boycott and Snow, who were pretty much in exile then weren't they? Amiss was probably the better opener at that particular point in time.
Other than quibbling with the balance of the side, so maybe putting Boyce in ahead of one of the l-arm spinners, there don't appear to be too many non-England players who would have improved the team... (That's assuming you weren't considering South Africans, that is, as Richards, Pollock and Procter would walk into the side.)

The best of the rest might be :

Turner (or Majid Khan)
Amiss
Kallicharan
Viswanath
Walters
Mushtaq Mo.
Engineer *
Boyce
Walker
Collinge
Gibbs

Not a lot of seam bowling options. You'd have needed a good crystal ball to pick Roberts, Imran, and Hadlee.
 

Lillian Thomson

Hall of Fame Member
If it was 1974, then interesting you went with Boycott and Snow, who were pretty much in exile then weren't they? Amiss was probably the better opener at that particular point in time.
Other than quibbling with the balance of the side, so maybe putting Boyce in ahead of one of the l-arm spinners, there don't appear to be too many non-England players who would have improved the team... (That's assuming you weren't considering South Africans, that is, as Richards, Pollock and Procter would walk into the side.)

The best of the rest might be :

Turner (or Majid Khan)
Amiss
Kallicharan
Viswanath
Walters
Mushtaq Mo.
Engineer *
Boyce
Walker
Collinge
Gibbs

Not a lot of seam bowling options. You'd have needed a good crystal ball to pick Roberts, Imran, and Hadlee.
This was prior to the summer Test Matches. Boycott had just made 99 and 112 in the West Indies and not yet in exile. Snow hadn’t toured but had been a regular in the home Tests up to 1973, and was one of my earliest favourite players. Underwood and Bedi was of course slightly bonkers. But this was pre-teen dabbling with no information highway. I think I chose Bedi as a second spinner because the Indian squad for the forthcoming series was in the paper. Had it been a bit later I might have chosen Sarfraz instead. I hadn’t heard of Max Walker at that point.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
England atxi

Hobbs
Hutton*
Barrington
Hammond
Root
Botham
Flintoff
Knott +
Trueman
Barnes
Anderson
 

TheJediBrah

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England atxi

Hobbs
Hutton*
Barrington
Hammond
Root
Botham
Flintoff
Knott +
Trueman
Barnes
Anderson
Big calling putting a bloke averaging below 50 in one of the highest scoring eras in the side. Unless he's there as the main spinner.
 

harsh.ag

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Someone who can score quickly, basically. KP would work too. Compton may work. Compton was the one I had penciled in earlier.

If Grace is in consideration, then of course he gets in.
 

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
The overall decade average is the third highest out of the eight decades since WWII. It does decline throughout the decade, which seems to be very much due to the 'can't bat away' phenomenon I have mentioned before (gap between home and away team averages is the largest ever).
 

OverratedSanity

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The overall decade average is the third highest out of the eight decades since WWII. It does decline throughout the decade, which seems to be very much due to the 'can't bat away' phenomenon I have mentioned before (gap between home and away team averages is the largest ever).
Yeah the early part of the decade didn't have all these excellent pace attacks we have now. The last 3-4 years, especially 2018, have had loads of difficult pitches too.
 

bagapath

International Captain
I would go...

Hutton *
Hobbs
Root
Compton
Hammond (6)
Botham (3)
Knott +
Trueman (1)
Laker (5)
Snow (2)
Barnes (4)

to play for the ashes against

Hayden
Trumper
Bradman *
G.Chappell
Border
Miller (3)
Gilchrist +
Warne (5)
O'Reilley (4)
Lillee (1)
McGrath (2)
 

trundler

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Leaving Ponting out is blasphemous. It's unlucky that he can't break into the top 3 whilst being the 2nd best #3 of all time (arguably). The only bloke ahead of him is a guy excluded from all batting discussion because he was a CIA conspiracy to lower British morale in the 30s. Still, he played twice as long as GC and peaked higher. 168 tests is an insane number. So whilst Chappell is an ATG #4 I'll still have Ponting in there. You can't drop Border or Miller so you get:

Bradman
Border
Ponting
Miller
Gilchrist
 

harsh.ag

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For the Aussies, I'll go

Smith
Ponting
Bradman
Chappell
Border
Miller

as the top 6. The best batsmen should all play.
 

bagapath

International Captain
tough to split Ponting and G.Chappell. Great test batsmen. Terrific as innings builders. And aggressive all the time. Superb fielders as well. Two of the very best against pace bowlers. But G.Chappell was marginally better against spinners, probably. And a better bowler. Not at all needed I know. But you've to split them somewhere somehow!!! He was also a natural no.4. Ponting is better at no.3, where he loses to the Don.
 

trundler

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My view is that Ponting was better. Who knows how much Chapell's average would've dipped if he'd played as much as Viv or Gavaskar? The well roundness of his record is a bit overstated since he picked and chose tours. Maybe he was a better player of spin but I just think Ponting deserves to be there, just like Lillee and Border.
 

bagapath

International Captain
for the frank worrell trophy the Aussie xi will play against...

gordon greenidge
conrad hunte
viv richards
brian lara
george headley
gary sobers *
jeff dujon +
malcolm marshall
michael holding
curtley ambrose
lance gibss
 

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