The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Coronis]

ATG English XI

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Compton
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Bedser
Trueman
Barnes

 

[trundler]

ATG English XI

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Compton
Botham
Knott+
Laker
Bedser
Trueman
Barnes

Why not have Sutcliffe at 3 tho?

 

[trundler]

Openers XI
Sir Jack Hobbs
Sir Len Hutton
Sunil Gavaskar
Herbet Sutcliffe
Gordon Greenidge
Matthew Hayden (no I don't think he is the 6th best opener but he would be able to feast on the spin and tired pace bowlers at this position)
Syed Kirimani (he did open if I'm not wrong, handy enough with the bat, brilliant behind the stumps)/ Adam Gilchrist if choosing him is not cheating
Imran Khan (opened the bowling)
Malcolm Marshall
Sydney Barnes
Glenn McGrath

 

[Coronis]

Why not have Sutcliffe at 3 tho?

Why break up the greatest opening partnership in history if both Hutton and Sutcliffe will be in the side anyway?

 

[trundler]

I feel like this argument may have happened before...

 

[Red]

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
May
Compton
Ames +
Botham
Larwood
Laker
Trueman
Bedser

Swap one of the quicks with Underwood as required.

 

[Coronis]

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
May
Compton
Ames +
Botham
Larwood
Laker
Trueman
Bedser

Swap one of the quicks with Underwood as required.

Just don’t think its worth having May or anyone else in that position in the side when those 3 openers and Hammond are so clearly ahead of them as batsmen. I have no doubt they’d be able to adapt to coming in at first drop, so I feel its worthwhile to include them rather than a clearly inferior batsman.

 

[jimmy101]

I've always considered May to be part of the upmost echelon of English middle-order batsmen. Not sure if including an out of position Sutcliffe ahead of him is such an open & shut case.

 

[Engle]

01. Hobbs
02. Sutcliffe
03. Barrington
04. Hammond
05. Jardine (c)
06. Botham
07. Knott (w)
08. Trueman
09. Tyson
10. Barnes
11. Verity

 

[Red]

Just don’t think its worth having May or anyone else in that position in the side when those 3 openers and Hammond are so clearly ahead of them as batsmen. I have no doubt they’d be able to adapt to coming in at first drop, so I feel its worthwhile to include them rather than a clearly inferior batsman.

Calling May "clearly inferior" is silly, he is an absolute ATG #4 batsman. At #4 he averages more than all other English contenders, apart from Barrington, whose average there is only 1 run higher. Those other contenders include Compton, KP, Root, Cowdrey...

May was a brilliant batsman, equally adept against pace or spin. I'd much rather this line up than batting an opener out of position simply because he had a better overall career average.

 

[trundler]

Chalk and cheese eleven.
Sunil Gavaskar
Victor Trumper
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Jacques Kallis
Brian Lara
Cant decide on the wicketkeeper and bowlers

 

[Red]

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
May
Compton
Ames +
Botham
Larwood
Laker
Trueman
Bedser

Swap one of the quicks with Underwood as required.

I always forget SF Barnes, he'd probably slot in ahead of Bedser, but I'm happy either way.

 

[Red]

South Africa, post AB retirement XI


Richards
Smith *
Kallis
G. Pollock
DeVilliers
Faulkner
Lindsay +
S. Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald

 

[trundler]

South Africa, post AB retirement XI


Richards
Smith *
Kallis
G. Pollock
DeVilliers
Faulkner
Lindsay +
S. Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald

Switch Kallis and Pollock. Plus, no Peter in for Shaun?

 

[trundler]

Best number 4: Kallis, Chappell, Tendulkar or May?

 

[Gowza]

South Africa, post AB retirement XI


Richards
Smith *
Kallis
G. Pollock
DeVilliers
Faulkner
Lindsay +
S. Pollock
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald

Procter for S. Pollock?

 

[Red]

Switch Kallis and Pollock. Plus, no Peter in for Shaun?

Kallis batted at #3 for 78 innings, while G.Pollock never batted at #3 in tests.

Procter for S. Pollock?

Happy with either tbh, but Pollock's longevity gets rewarded today, and I reckon Pollock balances the attack better than Procter with Donald and Steyn already there. Pollock can bowl long containing spells while the other two bowl express short spells.

 

[Red]

Best number 4: Kallis, Chappell, Tendulkar or May?

Mark Waugh

 

[trundler]

All time Australia XI
Victor Trumper
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Neil Harvey
Ricky Ponting
Adam Gilchrist
Ray Lindwall
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

I bet this team would score 500+ and bowl the opposition for below 200 more often than not.

 

[Red]

Nice team trundler.


Australian team playing in Australia:

Bill Lawry
Matthew Hayden
Don Bradman
Steve Smith
Michael Clarke
Doug Walters
Adam Gilchrist
Ray Lindwall
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

Australian team playing in England:

Mark Taylor
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Bill Ponsford
Allan Border
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Terry Alderman
Glenn McGrath

Australian team playing in India:

Matthew Hayden
Kim Hughes
Dean Jones
Damian Martyn
Neil Harvey
Allan Border
Ian Healy
Richie Benaud
Alan Davidson
Jason Gillespie
Ashely Mallett

Australian team playing in South Africa:

Dave Warner
Jack Fingleton
Ricky Ponting
Neil Harvey
Stan McCabe
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Pat Cummins
Mitchell Johnson
Stuart Clark
Clarrie Grimmett