The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Red]

How is Hobbs in your top ten players of all time but doesn’t make your best XI while Gavaskar and Hutton do make it but aren’t in your top ten?

 

[kyear2]

Because Hobbs is undisputably among the greatest ever.

The team however is much more based on if they had to play an actual match and I, one have never seen much footage of Hobbs batting and two, would trust Hutton on Gavaskar more knowing the quality of bowlers they faced. Actually I would select Barry, but that causes all levels of consternation.

If it were accolades only (as is the top 10 list and rankings) then definitely Hobbs. But this team is one put together to actually take the field and win games.

Honestly the second opener spot is the one position I'm not "happy" about. Ideally if it's a long term proposition, wouldn't mind a Mark Taylor or Graeme Smith in the spot. Long term experienced (and in Taylor's case brilliant) captain, left handed and excellent (and again in Taylor's case brilliant) 1st slip fielders. Batting quality isn't quite there, but Smith isn't far away.

 

[Red]

Yeh I consider Graeme Smith a contender.

 

[kyear2]

Yeh I consider Graeme Smith a contender.

I know it may seem ridiculous, but the more I look and contextualize his career, I don't think it's that far from Sunny's tbh.

 

[Coronis]

ATG XI of players who don’t meet cricinfo requirements. Tbh most of the best batsmen I could think of were openers (except Duleep) so screw batting positions (not including current players)

Richards
Barnes
Duleep
Dempster
Jackson
Merchant
Procter*
Saggers+
Martindale
Massie
Patel

 

[ataraxia]

ATG XI of players who don’t meet cricinfo requirements. Tbh most of the best batsmen I could think of were openers (except Duleep) so screw batting positions (not including current players)

Richards
Barnes
Duleep
Dempster
Jackson
Merchant
Procter*
Saggers+
Martindale
Massie
Patel

So this is 20 innings?

Billy Wade for keeper IMO.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

ATG XI of players who don’t meet cricinfo requirements. Tbh most of the best batsmen I could think of were openers (except Duleep) so screw batting positions (not including current players)

Richards
Barnes
Duleep
Dempster
Jackson
Merchant
Procter*
Saggers+
Martindale
Massie
Patel

Which Patel?

Who doesn't qualify?

 

[Prince EWS]

ATG XI of players who don’t meet cricinfo requirements. Tbh most of the best batsmen I could think of were openers (except Duleep) so screw batting positions (not including current players)

Richards
Barnes
Duleep
Dempster
Jackson
Merchant
Procter*
Saggers+
Martindale
Massie
Patel

Get Cowie in there.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Get Cowie in there.

He qualifies under cricinfo for no of balls bowled

 

[Coronis]

Which Patel?

Who doesn't qualify?

less than 20 innings batted for batsmen, less than 2000 balls bowled for bowlers, keepers I was meh on just went with 20 innings fielded.

Jasubhai Patel. Had more trouble finding a spinner than expected.

 

[Coronis]

Probably should be some XI regarding players who came back from terrible injuries or had certain disabilities and still were very successful. Can’t be bothered to do more research right now but this bloke deserves a big mention - came across him randomly.

Buster Nupen from South Africa. Was basically a matting specialist, so much so that on SA’s first series including turf pitches he was shuffled in and out between the matting and turf games.

Hit two hammers together at the age of 7 and a metal splinter blinded him in his left eye, causing him to wear a glass eye the rest of his life. Made his debut at 19 after the first World War in November 1921.

March 1922, he was caught up in the Rand Rebellion and was shot twice, a bullet through both knees. Apparently a doctor initially wanted to perform a double amputation. The British press had even reported him as dead. He was playing test cricket again in December.

In 1924 he had a back injury in the nets (described as a wrench), the issue becoming progressively worse until finding out in 1933 he had a broken vertebra. He had surgery and played one final test in 1936.

 

[Flametree]

Probably should be some XI regarding players who came back from terrible injuries or had certain disabilities and still were very successful. Can’t be bothered to do more research right now but this bloke deserves a big mention - came across him randomly.

Buster Nupen from South Africa. Was basically a matting specialist, so much so that on SA’s first series including turf pitches he was shuffled in and out between the matting and turf games.

Hit two hammers together at the age of 7 and a metal splinter blinded him in his left eye, causing him to wear a glass eye the rest of his life. Made his debut at 19 after the first World War in November 1921.

March 1922, he was caught up in the Rand Rebellion and was shot twice, a bullet through both knees. Apparently a doctor initially wanted to perform a double amputation. The British press had even reported him as dead. He was playing test cricket again in December.

In 1924 he had a back injury in the nets (described as a wrench), the issue becoming progressively worse until finding out in 1933 he had a broken vertebra. He had surgery and played one final test in 1936.

Fred Titmus an obvious inclusion if this becomes a list...

 

[Flametree]

less than 20 innings batted for batsmen, less than 2000 balls bowled for bowlers, keepers I was meh on just went with 20 innings fielded.

Jasubhai Patel. Had more trouble finding a spinner than expected.

Appleyard or Iverson

 

[capt_Luffy]

Probably should be some XI regarding players who came back from terrible injuries or had certain disabilities and still were very successful. Can’t be bothered to do more research right now but this bloke deserves a big mention - came across him randomly.

Buster Nupen from South Africa. Was basically a matting specialist, so much so that on SA’s first series including turf pitches he was shuffled in and out between the matting and turf games.

Hit two hammers together at the age of 7 and a metal splinter blinded him in his left eye, causing him to wear a glass eye the rest of his life. Made his debut at 19 after the first World War in November 1921.

March 1922, he was caught up in the Rand Rebellion and was shot twice, a bullet through both knees. Apparently a doctor initially wanted to perform a double amputation. The British press had even reported him as dead. He was playing test cricket again in December.

In 1924 he had a back injury in the nets (described as a wrench), the issue becoming progressively worse until finding out in 1933 he had a broken vertebra. He had surgery and played one final test in 1936.

M A K Pataudi also played all of his international career with one eye.

 

[Line and Length]

Dennis Lillee's back injury saw him in a plaster cast for 6 weeks. He was unable to bowl for almost 2 years but he did play Grade cricket as a specialist batsman. After his injury he completely remodeled his action.

 

[Victor Ian]

there's Warne and his comeback from a fingernail.

 

[Prince EWS]

there's Warne and his comeback from a fingernail.

Toenail.

 

[kyear2]

 

[kyear2]

Kindly actually like this, different but still really good.

 

[Coronis]

With the exception of Barry not much I can fault him on. Bats deep and bowls deep. I know we all would go for Gilchrist but obviously if we could combine Sanga’s peak batsmanship with his keeping he’d be well ahead - won’t surprise me if in some of those vids the cricketers choose him based on that especially with him continuing to keep in ODIs. Might look through some other players after work tonight but eek I saw some titles including Cook so it might only be players they’ve seen/played against.