The Ashes are coming home!

[King_Ponting]

Well its not really a commonly used shot so i cant see how the name can be regularly used. What is the shots correct name?

 

[vic_orthdox]

Well its not really a commonly used shot so i cant see how the name can be regularly used. What is the shots correct name?

I've heard it referred to as the:

shovel
lap (sweep)
scoop
flick

And you'll find that more and more people are playing it these days, often in different manners but essentially the shot is the same.

 

[FaaipDeOiad]

Not to alarm you guys but have you seen the MCC XI vs International XI scorecard? Lara's (Yes Brian) economy rate is only slightly worse than Warney's!

Excellent... shame I cant watch it

Warne wasn't exactly taking it that seriously. I mean, he missed cutting off runs on the boundary because he was busy signing autographs. No doubt Kallis and Flower played him well, but I doubt it has much bearing on the Ashes.

 

[vic_orthdox]

The student union erupted with that shot! Thank you Ryan Campbell.

Don't mention student unions, you make me jealous.

 

[steds]

I've seen Kallis play that flick/scoop/Campbell thing/ whatever it is once or twice, too

 

[simmy]

Warne wasn't exactly taking it that seriously. I mean, he missed cutting off runs on the boundary because he was busy signing autographs. No doubt Kallis and Flower played him well, but I doubt it has much bearing on the Ashes.

OK.. I was pretty sure that the game wasnt being taken seriously mate as BRIAN LARA BOWLED!!!

It has no bearing on the Ashes.. although his haircut might.

A lot of beer ended up on a lot of people after the "Strauss Scoop" (That is what I'm calling it)

 

[Adamc]

Please don't post "BRIAN LARA BOWLED!!!" again. I checked the scorecard and the radio to check that he hadn't been bowled out before I re-read your post.

 

[simmy]

http://content.cricinfo.com/natwestseries/content/story/211066.html

Finally someone talking sense!

 

[King_Ponting]

Hmm from a tabloid paper? Hardly

 

[simmy]

Damn... hoped noone would notice hehe.

Do like Angus Fraser's quote though.

 

[King_Ponting]

Does have some sense behind it, oviously the belting of aus will make them rethink the strength of the english team and hopefully give them the respect they deserve. I have afeeling this beating will fire the aussies up and they will go on a brutal rampage from now on. Cant wait to see the score if the aussies bat first against bangladesh on saturday

 

[marc71178]

Nor, as almost everyone seems to have forgotton, come 19th June.

I'm talking about the only thing that matters this summer - the Ashes.

 

[marc71178]

And that's been said before - fact is, if it ever affected people like Atherton, Stewart, Hussain, Thorpe etc. I'll eat my computer.
The only reason they lost to Australia loads is because people like McGrath kept on bowling fantastic deliveries to them.
Equally, you only have to look at the like of Usman Afzaal and God-knows-how-many others to see that you categorically DO NOT have to have been involved in previous Australian thrashings to be "carrying baggage".

At last, he's admitted it.

 

[marc71178]

Equally, don't expect Harmison and Flintoff to give anything back.

You really don't like Flintoff do you.

 

[marc71178]

Also interested in people's opinion on the Bell/Pieterson argument. Those who have seen both bat... who do you think deserves the number 4 test slot? Especially if Pieterson continues to batter the bowlers throughout the one day games. (By the way... I am Ian Bell's biggest fan!)

Bell without a doubt - he is the man in possession and he's been put there for a reason.

 

[Neil Pickup]

I've heard it referred to as the:

shovel
lap (sweep)
scoop
flick

And you'll find that more and more people are playing it these days, often in different manners but essentially the shot is the same.

I've always called it the Marillier Shot.

 

[marc71178]

Bell. Pietersen can take his place when Thorpe retires.

Depends on how Ed Joyce is going at the time.

 

[tooextracool]

I would imagine it would have been something along the lines of 'Australia struck the first psychological blow for the forthcoming Ashes series' and such guff. You can be sure, no-one on this side of the world would have been saying it was a meaningless match had Australia won it.

To be honest, although meaningless in the context of the overall summer (results-wise), I would imagine the Aussies would have been quite desperate to win the match. Them saying "Bah it was a hit-and-giggle game" smacks of damage control. England thoroughly outplayed them and they would know it. I would think the overwheming feeling in the Aussie squad would be "Hell, they took that game seriously didn't they?". This would have shell-shocked the players a bit.

That said, you just know the Aussie hubris will have been damaged sufficiently that they'll be looking to annihilate England in the next game they play against each other. Of particular annoyance to them will have been the fact that Goughie did well in this match because he'll enjoy shoving it up them in the next match. Although, his success will largely be moot because the Aussies know they won't be facing him in the Tests. It's easier for him to be all fire and brimstone because his involvement will end in a few weeks whereas the other English bowlers will be well aware they have a LONG summer ahead of them. Whether the rest of the team can maintain the feeling when the real cricket starts remains to be seen. The signs are good for a positive summer, though.

Again, I maintain that if Giles, Tresco and Hoggard have good series, England may well win the Ashes.

well for one thing....i'd be extremely surprised if any more of the golden aussies slagged off any english cricketers between now and the first ODI against australia. of course if england ended up winning that one, we wouldnt hear from them for a while.

 

[tooextracool]

that's ********..

Australia gave there wickets away through arrogance and believeing they where good enough to hit every bowler out of the attack.. This should be a good lesson for them.

If anything it was the fact they wearnt scared enough.

well its not just that, i thought the field placings by michael vaughan were near perfect. add that to the fact that england held on to their catches, something not customary from past series.

 

[tooextracool]

McGrath can bowl on any wicket, and won't be THAT much more dangerous on a seamer than he is on a flat wicket. Kasprowicz certainly will be and Gillespie might be as well, but with players like Hoggard and Jones who certainly can use seaming conditions, I think England will get benefit from it as well. Add to that the fact that Australia are not particularly experienced in these sort of conditions and might struggle if England bowl well, and you can limit the gap between the sides somewhat.

i really think that the effects that mcgrath and co will have on a seamer friendly wicket is 10x times the effect hoggard and jones will on the same wickets. its not going to help us at all, you only have to watch the ashes 2001 to realise that they were almost unplayable, and that was despite b.lee tossing up tripe 1st change.