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[Richard]

In the early overs when you have to have men in the circle?

You seriously think there are ever times (outside pure stupidity captaincy) where there's no third-man in a ODI to a seamer?
If so, think (or rather look) again.

And the man being moved out to that position when Martyn came in was just coincidence wasn't it?

Pietersen had fielded at third-man on plenty of occasions in the tournament.

 

[Richard]

l remember the television coverage looking at the dismissal (Martyn's cut shot to KP at 3rd man) and KP was moved there as soon as Martyn came in! Perfect planning!

And he'd been there at other stages in the previous game (and in subsequent games), too.

 

[marc71178]

You seriously think there are ever times (outside pure stupidity captaincy) where there's no third-man in a ODI to a seamer?

Not usually one of the team's best catchers (up till this Test anyway)

 

[King_Ponting]

Not usually one of the team's best catchers (up till this Test anyway)

Yeh this test has kinda downgraded his "catching" quality

 

[tooextracool]

England's overall cricket was what was deplored so much in the 1990s, not specifically the fielding.
The Indian batsmanship was obviously massively superior to the English, so any criticism of the fielding will be lesser..

not sure what yo've been watching but it was glaringly obvious at the time that indias fielding was a lot worse in ODIs than it was in tests, and it used to cost them a lot of runs in the death. they were never poor catchers, they just kept misfielding under pressure, never hitting the stumps etc, especially when the pressure was on the fielders in the death converting 1s to 2s.

Considering that series not very long ago used to take 0.3 years or so it's really not that long.

err what? from the series in SL, you're looking at 5 test series and a fair few test matches. i think thats significantly more than 1 series.

 

[Richard]

Not usually one of the team's best catchers (up till this Test anyway)

Really?
Care to explain to us how Pietersen had been posted there at other times in that same series (and a few times in South Africa)?
(Not to mention countless other occasions where good catchers are placed there - Gough, for instance, who's taken some of the best third-man catches we'll see)

 

[Richard]

not sure what yo've been watching but it was glaringly obvious at the time that indias fielding was a lot worse in ODIs than it was in tests, and it used to cost them a lot of runs in the death. they were never poor catchers, they just kept misfielding under pressure, never hitting the stumps etc, especially when the pressure was on the fielders in the death converting 1s to 2s.

As I said - I've not been watching that much, maybe the ODI-death thing comes to prominence more than other things.

err what? from the series in SL, you're looking at 5 test series and a fair few test matches. i think thats significantly more than 1 series.

Because the fielding was wonderful in SA, wasn't it?
It was good in West Indies, and good in the summer - a 6-month period.
And it's been good for 6 months before now, too.
It was just about OK in SA without being particularly good.

 

[tooextracool]

As I said - I've not been watching that much, maybe the ODI-death thing comes to prominence more than other things..

it most certainly did, to the point where india were regularly conceding 80-90 runs in the last 10 overs. some of it had to do with the bowling, but their fielding made things work.

Because the fielding was wonderful in SA, wasn't it?
It was good in West Indies, and good in the summer - a 6-month period.
And it's been good for 6 months before now, too.
It was just about OK in SA without being particularly good.

nope it was fairly good in SA and also excellent in the series against b'desh.

 

[Richard]

Wow, give them a medal for fielding well against Bangladesh...

 

[tooextracool]

Wow, give them a medal for fielding well against Bangladesh...

because fielding against bangladesh is particularly different from fielding against test class sides

 

[sledger]

Rubbish, the ball would have hit the middle of the bat comfortably had it not swung.

No, they were beaten by their own poor strokes.

which incidentaly was brought about by harmisons pace.

 

[Shane Warne]

because fielding against bangladesh is particularly different from fielding against test class sides

Mentally it seems, yes.

 

[Richard]

because fielding against bangladesh is particularly different from fielding against test class sides

You are put under absolutely no pressure at all.

 

[Richard]

which incidentaly was brought about by harmisons pace.

How come similar poor strokes were not brought about by such pace in the 2nd half of last summer (bar The Oval) and the South Africa series?