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[Richard]

The NatWest Series is a triangular ODI competition England hosts every year, involving two other nations. Australia has a comparable competition in their summer called the VB Series. The NatWest Challenge is a three match series against a single team.

This year, the NatWest Series involves England, Australia and Bangladesh, and the Challenge is England vs Australia as a lead up to the Ashes test series.

And this summer is the last we shall see of The NatWest Series.
Such a shame that it's been construed as a dismal failure because of what is aught but unfortunate coincidence.

 

[marc71178]

No.
A light-hearted jibe.

Yet, someone says something nowhere near as bad about you and you fly off the handle.

I think questioning someone's attitude is far worse then using a simple comparative, but you can't take it when the boots on the other foot.

 

[archie mac]

Not HawkEye! Just a basic tennis-style Cyclops machine that alerts the Umpire when a no-ball is bowled.
I'd also like to see some kind of free-hit thing put in place - can't be bothered to give details now, would take too long.
Far, far too many snicks and gloves are missed - and if it could be referred batsmen would probably just walk all the time anyway, which would alleviate the problem.
Well - things have moved-on, is all I can say.

I like your Cyclops idea, I notice they do not use it in doubles, I imagine because the partner would set it off, would this not happen with the non striker?

Please no free hit in Test Cricket Interesting though, with the old no-ball rule the batsman in effect did receive a free hit.

Re-snicks you don't think this will lead to excessive appealing just in case there was a snick?

Sometimes things don't 'move on' for the better is all I can say

 

[Richard]

Yet, someone says something nowhere near as bad about you and you fly off the handle.

I think questioning someone's attitude is far worse then using a simple comparative, but you can't take it when the boots on the other foot.

And where exactly was I questioning Corey's attitude, now?
I was clearly not attacking Corey by saying

And if you're not perfect you have no right saying I'm hypocritical.

I was merely pointing-out that he had no grounds on which to call me hypocritical, because otherwise everyone, ever, would be hypocrites.

 

[Richard]

I like your Cyclops idea, I notice they do not use it in doubles, I imagine because the partner would set it off, would this not happen with the non striker?

Not as long as it was activated and deactivated according to which side of the crease the bowler was coming from, and likewise with the return-crease (the one at the side).

Please no free hit in Test Cricket Interesting though, with the old no-ball rule the batsman in effect did receive a free hit.

Exactly, and it should be an effective deterrant.
That was the whole point of the original no-ball - the free-hit, and it's something I feel should still happen.

Re-snicks you don't think this will lead to excessive appealing just in case there was a snick?

No, that happens anyway.

Sometimes things don't 'move on' for the better is all I can say

True - but in this case I feel it is for the better. I feel no-balls as they are now are simple and much more effective than the original ruling.

 

[C_C]

because otherwise everyone, ever, would be hypocrites.

On a long enough timeline, everyone is a hypocrite- even Moses himself was a hypocrite.
By calling you a hypocrite, one isnt saying that you are a hypocrite and the caller isnt, but merely that you are hypocritical in your CURRENT perspective.

 

[Richard]

On a long enough timeline, everyone is a hypocrite- even Moses himself was a hypocrite.

Exactly - hypocrisy is a subject best left untouched for mine.
Because of that very fact.

 

[marc71178]

What about ignorance?

You're clearly showing that here.

 

[archie mac]

Not as long as it was activated and deactivated according to which side of the crease the bowler was coming from, and likewise with the return-crease (the one at the side).

Exactly, and it should be an effective deterrant.
That was the whole point of the original no-ball - the free-hit, and it's something I feel should still happen.

No, that happens anyway.

True - but in this case I feel it is for the better. I feel no-balls as they are now are simple and much more effective than the original ruling.

Ok I think we have reached some sort of understanding in some things and an impasse in others. Until the next time we don't agree.

 

[Stefano]

Some other questions: this time about stats.

Just have a look to this page about Danish Kaneria

Click

What do the abbreviations mean?

mat = matches
wkts = wickets
bbi = ?
bbm = ?
ave = average (?)
eco = economy (?)
sr = strike rate (?)
4 = ?
5 = ?
10 = ?

How do you rate a bowler performance?

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What is a LIST A?

 

[Adamc]

bbi = best bowling figures in an innings
bbm = best bowling figures in a match
4 = number of times they have taken 4 wickets in an innings
5 = " " " " " " 5 " " "
10 = " " " " " " 10 " " a match

All the others are right.

 

[Stefano]

About the best bowling figures in a innings and in a match. How do you find that? The number of wickets?

 

[Adamc]

About the best bowling figures in a innings and in a match. How do you find that? The number of wickets?

It's just the highest number of wickets they have taken in an innings and a match. When they have taken that number of wickets more than once, they use the one in which the bowler conceded less runs, e.g. 5/30 will be used instead of 5/50.

This means that it's not always the subjectively 'best' bowling performance that gets recorded. For example, if a bowler took 6/200 in one match and 5/0 in another, the 6/200 will be used as the 'best' figures, even though the 5/0 is clearly better.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

What is a LIST A?

Like a first-class match (i.e. between domestic teams that are judged to be of the highest class in the country), but it must be scheduled to be between 40 and 60 overs in length - so a one-day match, basically.

 

[Jamee999]

Are ODI's List A matches?

 

[Jamee999]

And this summer is the last we shall see of The NatWest Series.
Such a shame that it's been construed as a dismal failure because of what is aught but unfortunate coincidence.

I didn't know that.

Link?

 

[Adamc]

Are ODI's List A matches?

Yep.

 

[Magrat Garlick]

Yep.

Interestingly, Tests, first-class games and ODIs are all defined by the ICC - a List-A game is defined by the ACSH (association of cricket statisticians and historians).

 

[Jamee999]

You the first Norwayesian member then, Hakon?

 

[Pedro Delgado]

Since this thread is here I may as well ask a couple of things that, being a cricket fan, I should really know but hey what ya gonna do.

1. Who is "Daylight"?
2. What does the JAM stand for in JAMODI?

Have Googled like mad but.

TIA.