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[Top_Cat]

And if you're not perfect you have no right saying I'm hypocritical.

Not true. Would you give up your right to call me hypocritical on the same basis? Thought not. Who would?!? I wouldn't!

Fact is, no-one is perfect and if you had to be perfect to criticise someone for something then no-one would ever get any criticism.
If I come across as not giving a damn about others' views there's precisely nothing I can do about it. Fact is, I do, and without others' views I wouldn't have had any of mine made-up. If I didn't give a damn about others' views I wouldn't even bother posting on forums or talking to anyone about cricket, I'd just write my own column and read it myself and tell myself that I was right and no-one else could possibly know anything.
But given that I can never watch every match, nor watch every match as closely as someone else, I have to listen to others who sometimes know stuff I don't. And when they do, I'm invariably perfectly willing to bow to their superior knowledge.

Just as I suspected - the problem is communication, not attitude.

As for appearing not to give a damn about others' views and not being able to do anything about it, that's a patent falsehood. There are plenty of ways one can adjust their methods of communication in order to get their points across without appearing to disregard the views of others. Plenty.

Take my job (PLEASE!! Sorry, bad joke....); I'm a university-educated crime analyst so already the Police officers I work with are suspicious of me. Now, I could go into a briefing and tell them 'how it is' in my edumacated, academic-speak (which would not diminish the correctness of what I had to say) or I could try to understand where they're coming from so I can communicate on their levels (not higher or lower, just different). To do that, I have to adjust the way I communicate or I simply won't be listened to (which is far worse than saying things which are wrong or debateable). Yes what you say might be strictly correct or incorrect but not adjusting for your audience can be fatal for your side of the debate. That's all I'm saying. Communication is extremely important; if you can't communicate your views to the intended recipient, no matter how right you are, your views mean less than they should.

 

[Richard]

And communication is equally a gift - given or not.
Me personally I'm not the best communicator, in any respect - believe it or not I'm one of those who simply can't feel comfortable with eye-contact for more than a second or two. It's not just keyboard-related. But equally you can do as much training on something as you want - just like cricket, you can only make yourself so good.
Maybe you should offer me some training.

 

[Top_Cat]

And communication is equally a gift - given or not.

In some ways. One can be trained, though. Stick to a few principles, and you too can be a Churchillian orator!

Me personally I'm not the best communicator, in any respect - believe it or not I'm one of those who simply can't feel comfortable with eye-contact for more than a second or two. It's not just keyboard-related. But equally you can do as much training on something as you want - just like cricket, you can only make yourself so good.

Of course there are people who are better, yes. But just about anyone can at least be effective and communicate with most people on most levels, without being or aiming for 'outstanding'.

Maybe you should offer me some training.

Well, I'll do my best with what I know if you really do think you need help.

Guess who just got an idea for an OT thread..............

 

[Richard]

Long as you don't hope to attract me there - haven't too much time for OT at the mo.

 

[Richard]

Well, I'll do my best with what I know if you really do think you need help.

And with regards that... do you really think I don't find it irritating that people such as FDO have an attitude that you have alluded to? I, too, find FDO a thoroughly insightful guy whose presence adds plenty to the forum, and it tires me immensely to have the same McGrath\Ponting\Hayden\Gilchrist debates over and over and over.
Do you think I'd not prefer it if people realised that I do have consideration for others' views?

 

[Top_Cat]

I must admit, part of my motivation for chasing threads is the rather sadistic image of you trying in vain to keep up with all the replies. I'm getting the image in my head of the Simpsons episode (the Aussie one I believe) where the camera pans down and you see a blue multi-armed person continually pushing buttons and pulling leavers to keep the world up and running.

Muahahaha..................

 

[Top_Cat]

And with regards that... do you really think I don't find it irritating that people such as FDO have an attitude that you have alluded to? I, too, find FDO a thoroughly insightful guy whose presence adds plenty to the forum, and it tires me immensely to have the same McGrath\Ponting\Hayden\Gilchrist debates over and over and over.
Do you think I'd not prefer it if people realised that I do have consideration for others' views?

Well, talk's cheap, ain't it? Saying you have consideration for others' views is different to practising, which is of course MUCH MUCH harder. I'm still working at it!

 

[marc71178]

Really? I'd like to know why so many others feel exactly the same way - despite the quality of his posts, his ability with derision exceeds all bar one or two I've ever seen.
There is a problem with his attitude as far as I'm concerned, and many feel the same way.

I find it ironic that you have the nerve to make that post.

 

[Richard]

I must admit, part of my motivation for chasing threads is the rather sadistic image of you trying in vain to keep up with all the replies. I'm getting the image in my head of the Simpsons episode (the Aussie one I believe) where the camera pans down and you see a blue multi-armed person continually pushing buttons and pulling leavers to keep the world up and running.

Muahahaha..................

Incidentally, I've rarely had trouble keeping-up with all the replies.
And if I do... I get there ITE.

 

[Richard]

I find it ironic

Why am I not surprised?

 

[marc71178]

Even done politely, this is why some people like Faaiop and Marc pretty much refuse to seriously engage you in debate anymore and would rather just ridicule you. And in Faaiop we're talking about a poster who is insightful, thoughtful and polite to everyone else.

I'm glad to see you've not accused me of being insightful, thoughtful or polite!

 

[marc71178]

And if you're not perfect you have no right saying I'm hypocritical.

You really are unbelievable - someone is trying to help you, but you just attack them.

 

[Steulen]

You guys should visit the Botham vs. Flintoff thread more

 

[Richard]

You really are unbelievable - someone is trying to help you, but you just attack them.

And it's typical of you to perceive that as an attack - it wasn't.

 

[marc71178]

So what would you call it then?

A first chance attack?

 

[archie mac]

Tennis, being an individual sport, is not the same. Even so, that Federer doesn't have a coach when almost everyone else does and benefits from them doesn't really say much because Federer is a quite exceptional guy in several ways.
Well... if you don't see that they're important that's up to you. I personally do.
Not HawkEyes, no, and nor do I feel lbws are the first thing that needs to be attended to with technology (no-balls are first on my priority list, then the better identification of nicks\gloves).
But yes, I do feel more technology is needed.

Yes Tennis is an individual sport, but Cricket in probably the most individual team sport along with baseball. So I think coaches far less important, as compared to soccer. Which makes the captains job so much more prestigious.

I agree H/E for no-balls but not for snicks, leave it to the umpire. Here is one from long off.
What about special glasses for the umpires, that would show imaginary lines running from one set of stumps to the other set of stumps, (only the umpire can see) it would help the umpire work out where the ball pitches eg outside leg stump and where the ball strikes the batsman eg just outside off.
NO-BALL
It was never the intention of the oringinal law makers of Cricket for a bowler to be penalised for over stepping by 10mm, the old back foot rule gave the umpire and bowler plenty of latitude for a slight miss calculation. I am not sure of the solution?

 

[Dasa]

So what would you call it then?

A first chance attack?

 

[Stefano]

Yes Tennis is an individual sport, but Cricket in probably the most individual team sport along with baseball. So I think coaches far less important, as compared to soccer. Which makes the captains job so much more prestigious.

In baseball there isn't the captain. OK, some teams have, but he is more like a charismatic leader than a strategic mind. In baseball, the manager (head coach) has a tremendous role. He is the one who sets the strategy.

 

[archie mac]

In baseball there isn't the captain. OK, some teams have, but he is more like a charismatic leader than a strategic mind. In baseball, the manager (head coach) has a tremendous role. He is the one who sets the strategy.

Shows you how much I know about Baseball

 

[Stefano]

Shows you how much I know about Baseball

Never mind! The catcher can be considered the captain of a baseball team: he suggests the pitcher how to face the hitter and usually he is the charismatic leader. But, everything starts from the manager (head coach) and the pitching coach. And also the offensive strategy starts from the manager and the other coaches: have you ever seen a baseball coach doing those strange signs with their hands and arms? Well, those are signals: just a way to say "HIT IN THIS WAY!"

One of the most difficult things in baseball are the substitutions, above all those involving the starting pitcher: in baseball if a player is removed from the field CANNOT re-enter. Lots of games have been lost because the manager substituted his starting pitcher too late...

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Since I come from a basebal background, I would like to ask you a question: how would you compare cricket with baseball?

Let's pretend that Barry Bonds (one of the greatest baseball stars) has to face Danish Kaneria or Glenn McGrath or Makhaya Ntini on a cricket ground. Which would be his strenghts? Which problems would he encounter?

Let's pretend that Brian Lara or Inzamam have to face Randy Johnson or Roger Clemens (two great baseball pitchers) on a baseball ground. Which would be their strenghts? Which problems would they encounter?

I don't think that a comparison between cricket bowlers and baseball pitchers is possible. However, a comparison between hitters is.