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Sri Lanka in Australia thread
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biased indian
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so both flintoff and giles misses outmarc71178 said:
i dont mean to sound biased here but there are two ways of rating a player (in my mind at least). one is based on a players current form & the other is based on historical achievements( stats. & records).
for jayasuirya to have scored 300+ in an innings, scored the fastest 50 ever recorded and once hold the fastest 100 ever recorded, to hold the record for the most number of sixes and to have scored 189 in a one day innings puts him in the "world class" category mate. Dont forget he played a key part in changing world crickets view of playing the first 15 overs. stats also show as of january this year he has 253 one day international wickets to his name as well.
i dont know many players who can single handedly decide the fate of a game of cricket by his own performance, we all know when jayasuriya perfoms SL does well.
that in my mind warrants a bit of acknowledgement mate? do you still not think that he is world class? i'm not barfing out insanely that he is the worlds best here. but what im saying is most interntationla players recognize his efforts and most are aware of his capabilites, most interntaional teams deem his abilities as world class. why dont you?
for jayasuirya to have scored 300+ in an innings, scored the fastest 50 ever recorded and once hold the fastest 100 ever recorded, to hold the record for the most number of sixes and to have scored 189 in a one day innings puts him in the "world class" category mate. Dont forget he played a key part in changing world crickets view of playing the first 15 overs. stats also show as of january this year he has 253 one day international wickets to his name as well.
i dont know many players who can single handedly decide the fate of a game of cricket by his own performance, we all know when jayasuriya perfoms SL does well.
that in my mind warrants a bit of acknowledgement mate? do you still not think that he is world class? i'm not barfing out insanely that he is the worlds best here. but what im saying is most interntationla players recognize his efforts and most are aware of his capabilites, most interntaional teams deem his abilities as world class. why dont you?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
Why does it?dude said:
A few good knocks, but what about the rest of his career?
Heck, even Vikram Solanki's got an ODI century...
No I don't - World class is the best of the best, it's your SRT's, your Laras, your Pontings and Dravids, you know the one's that average over 50.dude said:
It's not your inconsistent hit or miss merchants.
have you forgotten an average is total runs devided by number of innings played? sanath has over 300+ ODI's in his career. dravid has 229 .ponting himself has 201.
"World class is the best of the best, "
best of what best? best out of your favourites? you need define it further to prove a point mate?
world class means alot more than mere averages. thilan samaraweera has an excellent test average that does not make him world class now does it?
"World class is the best of the best, "
best of what best? best out of your favourites? you need define it further to prove a point mate?
world class means alot more than mere averages. thilan samaraweera has an excellent test average that does not make him world class now does it?
Mr Mxyzptlk
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That's why we use our discretion and common sense. My definition of World Class is a bit different from Marc, but I agree that Jayasuriya is leagues away from the best (players) of the best (players), such as Lara, Tendulkar, Dravid, Ponting, Hayden.dude said:
My rankings...
Upper chamber - BC Lara, SR Tendulkar, R Dravid (controversial yes)
2nd Level - RT Ponting, ML Hayden
Middle chamber - MP Vaughan, MH Richardson, DS Lehmann, AC Gilchrist, GP Thorpe, VVS Laxman
2nd Level - ST Jayasuriya, RR Sarwan, NJ Astle
Bottom chamber - Almost everyone else.
Somewhere along those lines where the middle chamber and upward is world class.
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That's pretty harsh considering that Solanki's never played a Test.dude said:oh BTW does solanki have a double hundred at lords? sanath does?
marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
dude said:
No, but a "World Class" player doesn't average around 40, he averages in excess of 50.
Jayasuriya would need to consistently play at the peak of his powers to even get close ti the tag of World Class.
Even in ODI's, where he's been more successful, his overall record isn't actually that good, and it's noticeable from the ODI experiment thread how few people even put him as an opener in that team, so how can you claim he's World Class?
"Even in ODI's, where he's been more successful, his overall record isn't actually that good, and it's noticeable from the ODI experiment thread how few people even put him as an opener in that team, so how can you claim he's World Class?"
it's not bout how many people add players to their imaginary teams on this board that really matters. even Glen mc grath said he was targeting jayasuriya in this series for they know theat he's the single player who can turn it around.
if you notice i've never once commented who i consider world class nor havi stated sanath is world class. but merely questioned how you judge players to be "world class" and then you replied mentioneing averages and mr. solanki in you reply
this is not me claiming jayasuriya is world class but this is me asking you your defenetion of world class. just t bring us back to the point, so your saying averages play alot for a player to be deemed world class? and not his over all contribution to the game? his team?
it's not bout how many people add players to their imaginary teams on this board that really matters. even Glen mc grath said he was targeting jayasuriya in this series for they know theat he's the single player who can turn it around.
if you notice i've never once commented who i consider world class nor havi stated sanath is world class. but merely questioned how you judge players to be "world class" and then you replied mentioneing averages and mr. solanki in you reply
this is not me claiming jayasuriya is world class but this is me asking you your defenetion of world class. just t bring us back to the point, so your saying averages play alot for a player to be deemed world class? and not his over all contribution to the game? his team?
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SirBloody Idiot
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For me, there are only a couple of these 'World Class' players.
You do not put good but not brilliant batsman in the category with Tendulkar and Lara.
No doubt Jayasuria is a good batsman, but many are better.
Tendulkar, Hayden, Pointing, Lara and Dravid are all better than Jayasuria.
You do not put good but not brilliant batsman in the category with Tendulkar and Lara.
No doubt Jayasuria is a good batsman, but many are better.
Tendulkar, Hayden, Pointing, Lara and Dravid are all better than Jayasuria.
aus 425/3 damn! when are they gonna stop! 
to me if someone can change the way the game is played by their own style and method thats class. if someone makes such an impact in the game of cricket by his own abilities, thats world class. if a batsmen or bowler is feard by their opponents their world class.
to me if someone can change the way the game is played by their own style and method thats class. if someone makes such an impact in the game of cricket by his own abilities, thats world class. if a batsmen or bowler is feard by their opponents their world class.
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Revelation
U19 Debutant
what a collapse.....they were staring down 650 easily at one stage. they'd do well to get to 550.
Jnr.
First Class Debutant
I've noticed that the middle order turns in mediocre scores alot when the openers put on a huge opening partnership. They must get bored watching them.
Aus v NZ (0/224)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1581
Aus v NZ (0/223)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1587
Aus v SA (0/219)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1599
Aus v Eng (0/195)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1652
Aus v WI (0/242)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1663
And now this current test.
Perhaps the openers should avoid huge opening partnerships.
Aus v NZ (0/224)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1581
Aus v NZ (0/223)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1587
Aus v SA (0/219)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1599
Aus v Eng (0/195)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1652
Aus v WI (0/242)
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Matches/MatchScorecard.asp?MatchCode=1663
And now this current test.
Perhaps the openers should avoid huge opening partnerships.