Shakib Al Hasan vs The Great All Rounders

[smash84]

he's bangladesh's andy flower

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

He runs close to Vinoo Mankad or Frank Woolley

 

[andruid]

Leave ***** alone

 

[honestbharani]

Fake BD supporters deserve this, tbh.

 

[Burgey]

he's bangladesh's andy flower

This is a very good point actually.

 

[viriya]

Shakib = GOAT

He will be before he hits 35.

One of the few pure all-rounders ever.

 

[Red]

Definitely better output than Watson ffs.

Yeh, notice where I said "on par with them, at least".

Having a bad comprehension day?

 

[Red]

Shakib = GOAT

He will be before he hits 35.

One of the few pure all-rounders ever.

GOAT what? Cricketer? All rounder? Batsman? Spinner?

He'll come nowhere near the GOAT in any of those categories.

 

[Red]

His career is completely unique. Among batsmen who average 40+, here he is sitting at the top with 15 five-fors compared to the next best having 6.

I don't think there has been another player who is so relied upon with both bat and ball by their team, certainly not in modern cricket.

Good stat but you could take Shakib out and put a lot of different players throughout history into Bangladeshs team in his place and they'd do the same thing or better

 

[Burgey]

It's the Hadlee effect x1000 in magnitude and divided by 1000 on ability.

 

[rtramdas]

I was thinking about this today. I reckon I'd rate him 3rd of all the allrounders post the 80s quartet (behind JK and Pollock). He might have almost eclipsed Kapil amongst Asian allrounders, but still a far way behind Imran.

Don't get overwhelmed by stats alone. Kapil avg:ed 31.05 with the bat after withstanding some 20 <25 avg: bowlers and after playing 131 tests in a span of less than 16 years.And he had a str; of almost 81. Shakib as of now has faced only Steyn & Murali.
i would credit Shakib a lot more in bowling though because of being am member of a weak team.

And Kapil was a far better one day player than Shakib. So all in all Shakib has a very long way to go.

 

[smash84]

Kapil was a match winner on his day, definitely higher impact than Shakib. His record against the WI of his time is pretty good, who are arguably the greatest team to have ever played the game. Can't say the same about Shakib

 

[smash84]

Shakib = GOAT

Quite. And Shakib acknowledges

 

[Zinzan]

No I think this is one of those classic situations in which statistics flatter to deceive.

Shakib is not the equal of Kapil Dev sorry.

Firstly he's never toured (or played for that matter) Australia,secondly in his batting average of 40, he is abysmal against the next 3 strongest sides England, SA & India (25,19,20 respectively).

Most batsmen tend to have better records against the weaker sides, that's just the natural of it, but his is more accentuated.

Bowling wise he's hardly played away from home (just 14 tests), hardly enough to establish much of a record.

I don;t think he's much better than a Vettori standard all-rounder, just Vettori started when he was 18 & played much stiffer opposition overall,

Shakib is possibly the most overrated Test player on CW.

 

[Adders]

Quite. And Shakib acknowledges

Does anyone else look at that picture and automatically think BBQ??? Or is there something wrong with me??

 

[Burgey]

Zinzan dropping truth bombs here.

 

[Zinzan]

If there's anyone he's got a similar Test record to it's Tony Greig, only Greig's record is better with 8 tons in 58 tests, vs Shakib's 4 in 45 tests & most importantly Greig compiled his record against top opposition, including 34 of his 58 tests vs either Australia or the West indies.

 

[Shri]

Does anyone else look at that picture and automatically think BBQ??? Or is there something wrong with me??

More like Raan but its just semantics, really.

 

[Tec15]

Shakib is possibly the most overrated Test player on CW.

Lol, considering some of the English and Australian mediocrities and flavours of the month the crowd here nut themselves over, not even close. Laughable to compare him to Vettori with a mendacious "played much stiffer opposition overall" considering Vettori was the king of feasting against the minnows and fasting against the big boys (or even the intermediate boys).

And yes, it is a real shame that Shakib has never been able to boost his stats by playing against Australia at home, though I'm not sure why that should count against him.

 

[Zinzan]

Lol, considering some of the English and Australian mediocrities and flavours of the month the crowd here nut themselves over, not even close. Laughable to compare him to Vettori with a mendacious "played much stiffer opposition overall" considering Vettori was the king of feasting against the minnows and fasting against the big boys (or even the intermediate boys).

And yes, it is a real shame that Shakib has never been able to boost his stats by playing against Australia at home, though I'm not sure why that should count against him.

Not his fault he hasn't been able to face the one of the toughest opposition in his playing career obviously, but it can't be discounted when looking at his numbers and comparing his vs. others. The Tony Greig comparison was apt, because their records are so similar, only when you look closely & see Greig played 34 of 58 tests against Aust and the Windies (in the 70s) you see how stupid the comparison is. And let's not forget Tony Greig was an excellent allrounder, but not an ATG.

Re: Vettori, he was indeed a minnow basher, but he still faced much tougher opposition overall in his career than Shakib, you can't even compare the two in that respect. Vettori's most played opposition were Australia (19), South Africa (15), England (17) and & India (14).

If you want to put Shakib, the Test all-rounder up in the Kapil, Cairns, Flintoff class, go ahead, but I won't.