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Saeed Anwar vs. Virender Sehwag

Who is better?


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Shri

Mr. Glass
If he had played in the 90s, his inability to face swing and movement would have made sure that he never got a chance to open. He would have been in his primary no.5 position throughout and he would have still averaged close to 50 by hitting spinners all around the park. He wouldn't have had to face swing coming in at no.5 and would have actually fared better than openers at that time.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
If he had played in the 90s, his inability to face swing and movement would have made sure that he never got a chance to open. He would have been in his primary no.5 position throughout and he would have still averaged close to 50 by hitting spinners all around the park. He wouldn't have had to face swing coming in at no.5 and would have actually fared better than openers at that time.
I dont think so tbh given the lack of options IND had in the 90s opening, Mongia & Jadeja opened for a period. Plus i struggle to see how he was going break into a post 96 middle order of Dravid/Tendy/Ganguly/Azhar.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
Dravid part time keeper, Mongia out of the side, Sehwag in - would have been a decent solution.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
If he had played in the 90s, his inability to face swing and movement would have made sure that he never got a chance to open. He would have been in his primary no.5 position throughout and he would have still averaged close to 50 by hitting spinners all around the park. He wouldn't have had to face swing coming in at no.5 and would have actually fared better than openers at that time.
I think you gave it away there. You admit that Sehwag in the 90s would be all at sea as a opener whereas Anwar was the best of his time in that position. That is the difference between them as players. And hitting spinners around the park at no.5 doesn't mean that you don't face pace and can end up averaging 50+, otherwise guys like Azhar and Laxman would average around that.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
I think you gave it away there. You admit that Sehwag in the 90s would be all at sea as a opener whereas Anwar was the best of his time in that position. That is the difference between them as players. And hitting spinners around the park at no.5 doesn't mean that you don't face pace and can end up averaging 50+, otherwise guys like Azhar and Laxman would average around that.
Fyi, every batsman in the world struggles against good swing bowling. Find me one player who played perfect shots to every swinging ball bowled on a green top. Being just an express pace bowler without any variation doesn't trouble Sehwag's style of batting. Mohd. Sami not being good against him(and many other players) is an example.
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
I think you gave it away there. You admit that Sehwag in the 90s would be all at sea as a opener whereas Anwar was the best of his time in that position. That is the difference between them as players. And hitting spinners around the park at no.5 doesn't mean that you don't face pace and can end up averaging 50+, otherwise guys like Azhar and Laxman would average around that.
Yes. I never claimed that Sehwag never had problems against decent pace bowling. Him being promoted as an opener was a freak decision by Ganguly that paid off. His original position was 5 and he has said in an interview recently that he still wants to play as a middle order bat at 5.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Fyi, every batsman in the world struggles against good swing bowling. Find me one player who played perfect shots to every swinging ball bowled on a green top. Being just an express pace bowler without any variation doesn't trouble Sehwag's style of batting. Mohd. Sami not being good against him(and many other players) is an example.
Sure, every batsman struggles against good pace but not to the same degree. I wouldn't say Anwar was as good at playing it as, say, Steve Waugh, but certainly a notch or two above Sehwag based off of Anwar's sporadic successes against quality pace attacks and in seaming conditions. Given that both were excellent at playing spin (Anwar never really seemed troubled by either Warne or Murali, whereas Sehwag can demolish any spinner), that fact alone is enough to rank Anwar as a better opener.
 
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aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Fyi, every batsman in the world struggles against good swing bowling. Find me one player who played perfect shots to every swinging ball bowled on a green top.
None of course. But a batsman with the least technical flaws is always likely to do better in bowler friendly conditions, that a Sehwag type player who is not as technically sound.

Being just an express pace bowler without any variation doesn't trouble Sehwag's style of batting. Mohd. Sami not being good against him(and many other players) is an example.
Yes & the bowlers with pace & variations have troubled him over & over.

Yes. I never claimed that Sehwag never had problems against decent pace bowling. Him being promoted as an opener was a freak decision by Ganguly that paid off. His original position was 5 and he has said in an interview recently that he still wants to play as a middle order bat at 5.
Ye good point i remember seeing Sehwag batting @ 7 vs ENG in 2001 & being shocked when IND opened with him during the tour to ENG in 2002, since i really just saw him as ODI slogger. It really was freak decision. But regardless of his problems, he has made a brilliant transition of course.

But even if he goes down to 5, he cant hide he still be exposed unless he improves technically somehow.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
FTR, I never rated Anwar much in difficult conditions. He was pretty weak outside the offstump for an opener and was always found out in RSA and other such places.. Even his century against Australia in Australia wasn't all that flash and I watched it fully.
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
FTR, I never rated Anwar much in difficult conditions. He was pretty weak outside the offstump for an opener and was always found out in RSA and other such places..
I'm sorry, but this is based on your assumption and not the reality. The fact is, during Anwars' main playing years from 94-2000 (after which his daughter unfortunately passed away and he lost a large interest/motivation in cricket), Pakistan played full series in New Zealand, England, South Africa and Australia once. His performances are below and as you can see he did quite well outside the subcontinent.

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
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Even his century against Australia in Australia wasn't all that flash and I watched it fully.
Perhaps you should check his century against Donald and Pollock in Durban in 98 on a sporting pitch when he took them to the sword in style, one of my favorite innings of his. And I wouldn't dismiss the innings you mentioned in a conversation about him and Sehwag, who never scored a century on foreign soil against such a high quality attack.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
I'm sorry, but this is based on your assumption and not the reality. The fact is, during Anwars' main playing years from 94-2000 (after which his daughter unfortunately passed away and he lost a large interest/motivation in cricket), Pakistan played full series in New Zealand, England, South Africa and Australia once. His performances are below and as you can see he did quite well outside the subcontinent.

All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com
All-round records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | Cricinfo.com



Perhaps you should check his century against Donald and Pollock in Durban in 98 on a sporting pitch when he took them to the sword in style, one of my favorite innings of his. And I wouldn't dismiss the innings you mentioned in a conversation about him and Sehwag, who never scored a century on foreign soil against such a high quality attack.
I am sorry.. he did the same in 2001 in Bloemfontein on a tougher track.. Durban has pace and bounce but this one had swing too...
 

subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
I am sorry.. he did the same in 2001 in Bloemfontein on a tougher track.. Durban has pace and bounce but this one had swing too...
No way Bloemfontein was a tougher track. India managed a healthy 379 and SA scored over 500. The match in Durban had no team scoring over 260. Shoaib and Donald were swinging it around corners on that pitch from memory. Check out Shoaib's fifer on that pitch for proof:

YouTube - Shoaib Akhtar First Ever Test Five-fer Versus South Africa

Also, that attack Sehwag faced cant compare to a a fully fit and firing Donald/Pollock/De Villiers/Klusener, or the one Anwar faced in Australia.

But at least agree Anwar wasn't a bunny outside the subcontinent?
 
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Azhar Mahmood has three centuries against Donald and Pollock, two of them in South Africa. It does not matter that his overall average is less than Anwar's.Fact is that Mahmood has done better against the great South African attacks than Anwar (average 65 in South Africa vs Anwar's 34).Clearly Mahmood is a better batsman than Anwar :laugh:
 
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G.I.Joe

International Coach
Ask Ricky Ponting or Steve Waugh who they'd rather have in their teams, even discounting Sehwag's bowling. Thats all I'm saying.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Ask Ricky Ponting or Steve Waugh who they'd rather have in their teams, even discounting Sehwag's bowling. Thats all I'm saying.
The Steve Waugh era would have definately done without him. The Ponting era up until up until last summer vs SA when Hayden retired could have done without him as well, right now he would make the AUS team.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
Azhar Mahmood has three centuries against Donald and Pollock, two of them in South Africa. It does not matter that his overall average is less than Anwar's.Fact is that Mahmood has done better against the great South African attacks than Anwar (average 65 in South Africa vs Anwar's 34).Clearly Mahmood is a better batsman than Anwar :laugh:
Very poor interpretation of stats sir. The only thing funny is you using the example to illustrate your point.
 

G.I.Joe

International Coach
The Steve Waugh era would have definately done without him. The Ponting era up until up until last summer vs SA when Hayden retired could have done without him as well, right now he would make the AUS team.
I meant, if they absolutely had to play one of Sehwag and Anwar in their XI, they'd go with Sehwag imo. Lets not extend this to a Sehwag vs Anwar vs Hayden vs Langer vs Law debate.
 

arcane

Cricket Spectator
Sehwag because you in this day and age you need quick scoring guys like him to win matches. (Recent example when India scored over 400 runs against Sri Lanka on first day alone)
 

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