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Sachin Tendulkar vs Brian Lara vs Viv Richards (spin bowling)
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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Johan
International Vice-Captain
AB plays too early to handle wobble seamers well, and honestly? his test record is kind of just.... dissapointing, bar Australia.
sayon basak
International Captain
Tbh, I feel like seaming deliveries (specially incoming) is harder to play than swingers.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
definitely, Bounce is probably the one you just gotta adjust to, but Seam takes skill
Migara
International Coach
Gilchrist was a beast against pace. So were some SAF players like Andrew Hudson, Neil mckenzie and Brian McMillian. Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards most likely have been beasts. And then Aravinda de Silva was one of the best against pure pace. It was fast medium bowlers who moved it off the seam like Hadlee and Pollock gave him trouble.
Narayana
U19 12th Man
It is a well known fact, according to widen cricket- As as per the article, "Against a ball that moves 1.5 degrees or more in the air, batters, overall, average 26.70. But against balls that move off the pitch at least 0.75 degrees, only half the threshold for swing, the average hovers around 20".
Cricviz -
Seam movement increased so batting becomes Tougher since dec 2017
From 2010 to 2016, average swing during Tests in England was 1.15 degrees, which decreased to 0.97 degrees from 2017 to 2019. Seam movement rose from 0.58 degrees (2010 to 2016) to 0.71 degrees (2017 to 2019).”
As for which provides a greater threat to batsmen, consider this: batting averages against balls that swung more than 0.97 degrees in the last three years (during Tests in England) was 22.6. Against balls that seamed more than 0.71 degrees it was just 15.6.
Long read: The story of the wobble-seam, the ball that changed cricket
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PlayerComparisons
International Captain
Lara
Sachin was a better all around player of spin. Against spinners who offered a lot of flight, Lara was the best but he didn’t seem as much in control against spinners who bowled flat.
Lara’s persistent series failures against India weren’t a random coincidence. To me, they made a far more compelling case (of his weakness against certain kinds of spin) than say his weakness against pace based on a lone series failure against Donald.
Viv is nowhere close to the these two (against spin).
Lara’s persistent series failures against India weren’t a random coincidence. To me, they made a far more compelling case (of his weakness against certain kinds of spin) than say his weakness against pace based on a lone series failure against Donald.
Viv is nowhere close to the these two (against spin).
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Why exactly is Viv a poorer player of spin than Sachin?
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Murali was fairly successful against Sachin. Saqlain with his doosra caused Sachin quite a bit of trouble in 99.
You are correct that Lara couldn't dominate flat spinners though.
Johan
International Vice-Captain
he didn't have Warne to smash apart
DrWolverine
International Debutant
I have the same doubt regarding Sachin & Lara. He may not have had a series like 688 but I don’t recall him have any real problems with spin.
subshakerz
Hall of Fame Member
Ok but Sachin had his fair share of trouble with Murali and Saqlain.