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Ricky Ponting...

howardj

International Coach
Scallywag said:
So what you are saying Deja-moo is that Australia have got better since the last series in India and India themselves have not improved at all.
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Interestingly, Australia will have the exact same attack that almost clinched the series in the first two tests in india 2001 - McGrath, Gillespie, Kasprowicz and Warne. I'd say McGrath has gone downhill, but Gillespie, Kasprowicz and Warne have all improved.
 

Scallywag

Banned
Deja moo said:
Thats not the end of it I'm afraid. IMO , Ponting has a stronger and more well prepared team than Waugh had in 2001 . It would be a very poor reflection on Pontings captaincy skills if the team managed anything other than a series victory .
It will be interesting if anyone here agrees with you because as you would have noticed the belief is game results dont have any bearing on captiancy skills.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scallywag said:
It will be interesting if anyone here agrees with you because as you would have noticed the belief is game results dont have any bearing on captiancy skills.
Not at all - it's just that to hear you banging on about Ponting, anyone would be forgiven for thinking that he was single-handedly responsible for Australia's success in recent years.

We will never truly find out how good (or even great) Ricky Ponting is as a captain because he is fortunate enough to be skippering (and part of) one of the best teams of all time. That's just the way it is.
 

Scallywag

Banned
luckyeddie said:
Not at all - it's just that to hear you banging on about Ponting, anyone would be forgiven for thinking that he was single-handedly responsible for Australia's success in recent years.
Funny you should say that LE because I was only responding to Marc banging on about how Vaughan was a better captain than Ponting. I thought different than him and provided information on why I thought that. The response was he was inexpierenced compared to Vaughan.

Oddly Marc has dissapeared and you have taken his place to say the crap quoted above.

Anyone listening to you would think Ponting is lucky to be in the Australian team because you cant admit that he is a very gifted and talented cricketer who has made a huge contribution to Australias dominance in cricket.

Your very keen to sprout on how great a captain Vaughan is but take offence to anybody sprouting off about Ponting. Personally I Ponting think deserves the sprouting more than Vaughan.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scallywag said:
Funny you should say that LE because I was only responding to Marc banging on about how Vaughan was a better captain than Ponting. I thought different than him and provided information on why I thought that. The response was he was inexpierenced compared to Vaughan.

Oddly Marc has dissapeared and you have taken his place to say the crap quoted above.

Anyone listening to you would think Ponting is lucky to be in the Australian team because you cant admit that he is a very gifted and talented cricketer who has made a huge contribution to Australias dominance in cricket.

Your very keen to sprout on how great a captain Vaughan is but take offence to anybody sprouting off about Ponting. Personally I Ponting think deserves the sprouting more than Vaughan.
I know when I've been out-debated by a superior intellect.
 

Jnr.

First Class Debutant
Geez, what's the argument for? They are both good captains. I don't know how you can think otherwise.
 

Jnr.

First Class Debutant
That'd be better than slagging off people who are doing a good job for their team. :p
 

Scallywag

Banned
Jnr. said:
That'd be better than slagging off people who are doing a good job for their team. :p
Just think yourself lucky we didnt talk about you.

And in Vaughans case its people not doing a good job for their team.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Jnr. said:
That'd be better than slagging off people who are doing a good job for their team. :p
Let's get this straight - I rate Ricky Ponting extremely high as an international cricketer, but have no opinion of him as a captain because he hasn't really had time to show his true value, especially in the test arena. That's purely there's not been a lot of pressure placed upon him.

Scallywag seems to see something in Ponting's captaincy which does not appear immediately clear to me, and he is unhesitating in coming forward and saying so - that is his privilege.

He might well be proved right and if so, he is to be complimented on being such a sound judge.
 

Jnr.

First Class Debutant
Scallywag said:
And in Vaughans case its people not doing a good job for their team.
Vaughan has done well with his Test team. A 7-0 summer means nothing? His tactics and strategies cannot be faulted.

LE, I wasn't talking to you, that message was for Scallywag. :happy:
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Scallywag said:
Which by the way was moor than enough to keep you on the end of a piece of string.
Really?

You seem to have all the debating skills of a dodo, the spelling abilities of an orang-utan with a typewriter and the cricketing knowledge of a sack of lemons. The only thing you are capable of keeping on the end of a piece of string is a kite - and then you'll go and make the mistake of taking it out of the packet.

Must be one of your better days.
 

Scallywag

Banned
luckyeddie said:
Scallywag seems to see something in Ponting's captaincy which does not appear immediately clear to me, and he is unhesitating in coming forward and saying so - that is his privilege.
Oh I have given you a very clear picture and been very forward
Here is some of the Sports reporters words that you dismissed without comment. Of course you and Marc are more knowlegable than him.
And dont miss Peter Roebucks comments.


Why Ricky Ponting is rated so highly as a captain even by the hard-boiled Ian Chappell was evident in the post-match briefing after Sri Lanka had been decimated in the first semi-final.
Ponting arrived with Andrew Symonds by his side, wearing his peak cap at a tilt and a broad smile that stretched from ear to ear. "Did you expect to win after scoring only 212 runs,'' was the first salvo fired at him. "It was a threshold score,'' he said, "but we have players whose ability I trust when the chips are down.''
That brought a huge smile on Symonds' face too. Belief in the talent of his players and the capacity to support them even when the going was rough made Ian Chappell one of Australia 's most influential captains. Some of his team-mates still refer to him as 'skipper', which in the cynical world of former international cricketers is a huge accolade.
Ponting seems cast in the same mould - an aggressive batsman and thinker, a no-nonsense talker, and a players' captain - all this without sacrificing his individuality.
To have reached the final of the World Cup without Shane Warne and Jason Gillespie - two matchwinners - is a measure of not only the depth of Australian cricket, but also Ponting's self-confidence and his ability to drive his players to success.
Like Chappell, Ponting feels and plays cricket from the gut, and his hunches have paid off marvelously. Symonds, for instance, was a marginal selection. "There were other names discussed,'' said Ponting at the briefing, "But I have seen in domestic cricket what this man could do. You have got to give such players the confidence.''
Perhaps Ponting's bigger success has been Brett Lee, who was not always an automatic choice for the one-day squad under Steve Waugh, certainly not the man for the new ball, and whenever he played was asked to cut down on speed for greater control.
But Ponting, in what could be his most decisive attempt to emerge from Waugh's shadow, has given Lee the new ball and asked him to bowl as quick as he can. The results have been dramatic for his team, and traumatic for the opponents.
More than Shane Bond, and much, more than Shoaib Akhtar, Lee has been the most dangerous fast bowler in the World Cup.
For his hard work, Ponting has rewarded him with attacking fields - for a few overs against Sri Lanka he bowled with two slips, gully, short mid-wicket, silly point, shortish cover and short mid-wicket - and an understanding pat on the back if he has been hit for runs, or has had a catch dropped off his bowling.
That reflects belief not only in the player, but also in himself and his tactics. In many ways, that shows why Australia have been so successful in this tournament. uuuuu Aravinda de Silva's farewell innings in international cricket ended in dismay

And why would I take your opinion over Peter Roebuck
Peter Roebuck on Ponting

Ricky Ponting has been the captain of this tournament. If he maintains this form, he will be the man lifting the trophy on March 23. Tactically, he has been superior to any rival; his selections have been justified by events and his team is sustaining its effort through the hottest days. Pakistan lasted about as long as the Maginot line. Ponting has shown only one fault, an inability to convince his players that conduct counts.

Ponting showed his strengths in Johannesburg by leading a fightback after early wickets had fallen. He had much on his mind as he took guard, not least the loss of his friend, Shane Warne, whose departure weakened the attack. Michael Bevan and Darren Lehmann were also missing, which made the loss of early wickets even more alarming. Far from panicking, the Tasmanian played his own game, regaining the initiative with some typically crisp strokes. Australians protect the initiative like vestals protect their virginity. Pakistan was pushed back and soon resorted to doomed and defensive tactics calculated to hasten the over-rate.

Watching the Australians run on to the field was to know that victory was in the bag. Ponting dashed out, paused, and gathered his players amidst much backslapping and activities described by younger writers as high-fives. Perhaps the Australians had been aroused by the disgraceful beamers sent down by the opposing captain, dark deliveries demanding a much stiffer penalty. Ponting's men played noisily, aggressively and confidently. After all, a team is as strong as its weakest link and his name is, or was, Andrew Symonds. Ponting has been the Queenslander's main supporter and his faith was rewarded. Admittedly, Symonds was helped by the caution of his opponents. Pessimists cannot beat Australia.
 

Swervy

International Captain
luckyeddie said:
Really?

You seem to have all the debating skills of a dodo, the spelling abilities of an orang-utan with a typewriter and the cricketing knowledge of a sack of lemons. The only thing you are capable of keeping on the end of a piece of string is a kite - and then you'll go and make the mistake of taking it out of the packet.

Must be one of your better days.

ooooofff..thats gotta hurt :D

forget this debate about Vaughan and Ponting...My vote is for Richard as being a great international captain..afterall, he has a better memory than most commentators :D

(please see that thread about England in ODI's)

edit: very rough spelling of 'Richard'..thanks to Scallywag for picking up on that blunder
 
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Scallywag

Banned
luckyeddie said:
Really?

You seem to have all the debating skills of a dodo, the spelling abilities of an orang-utan with a typewriter and the cricketing knowledge of a sack of lemons. The only thing you are capable of keeping on the end of a piece of string is a kite - and then you'll go and make the mistake of taking it out of the packet.

Must be one of your better days.
I might have the debating skills of a dodo and spell like a orang-o-tang but you are a kite.
 

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