Ricky Ponting...

[tooextracool]

So the captain dosent make that much of a difference then when it comes to team performance.

the point is that you are looking at captaincy ability, and if ponting is a better batsmen it by no means makes him a better captain.

 

[tooextracool]

But if he was the worlds best captain the would have selected him.

no because flemings batting ability doesnt merit him selection into that side....and no matter how good a captain you are you dont merit a place in the worlds best XI if you're not good enough as a batsman or a bowler.

 

[Scallywag]

no because flemings batting ability doesnt merit him selection into that side....and no matter how good a captain you are you dont merit a place in the worlds best XI if you're not good enough as a batsman or a bowler.

Sounds like you decided that fleming is a better captain than Ponting and you will keep changing the requirements of a good captain until Fleming fits the requirements.

 

[tooextracool]

Sounds like you decided that fleming is a better captain than Ponting and you will keep changing the requirements of a good captain until Fleming fits the requirements.

ive never said that fleming is a better captain have i? you cant prove that ponting is better though because his side doesnt require much skill as a leader to be successful though.
and how many times do i have to say it.....the ability to bat doesnt make someone any better a captain......

 

[Zeke]

and because he doesnt have top quality batsmen and bowlers what does that say?

Going by your logic, Tatenda Taibu could well be the greatest test captain the world has ever seen...

 

[Scallywag]

ive never said that fleming is a better captain have i? you cant prove that ponting is better though because his side doesnt require much skill as a leader to be successful though.
and how many times do i have to say it.....the ability to bat doesnt make someone any better a captain......

I agree that you dont have to be a good batsman to captain but you must have cricketing abilities that are good enough to lead the team be it bowling or batting.

And to prove a point just look at the abilities of each captain and where he is in the team as far as ability goes. England is the only team that carries a captain and that is not a very good position for a captain no matter how well he irons the creases his whites.

There is no doubt that Ponting has a better record as captain than Fleming and thats all that counts in the end. Fleming has performed very well but the results are there the same as Ponting.

 

[Scallywag]

It won't have escaped the notice of many members that this afternoon has seen some of the most idiotic, banal and downright pathetic postings in the history of the forums.

Things like this are bound to happen as a site grows, and as an isolated incident in itself something like this doesn't really bother us. What does, however, is the use of this situation by long-standing moderators to make snipes at the members.

Comments such as "Be born in Australia, I'd guess" leave nobody in any doubt about the motives and thoughts of the poster.

 

[tooextracool]

And to prove a point just look at the abilities of each captain and where he is in the team as far as ability goes. England is the only team that carries a captain and that is not a very good position for a captain no matter how well he irons the creases his whites.

yes i know, which is why ive suggested time and time again that he should be dropped from ODIs. but his test figures are good, and the team is doing well, theres absolutely no reason why he should be dropped in that form of the game.

There is no doubt that Ponting has a better record as captain than Fleming and thats all that counts in the end. Fleming has performed very well but the results are there the same as Ponting.

again....this does not make him a better CAPTAIN than fleming. just because he is capable of leading a brilliant side that would probably be just as successful if you or i were captain doesnt suggest to me that hes a better captain than fleming. obviously flemings team record is worse, he doesnt have players that match the ones in the australian side. but from the resources that he had and has he has done a brilliant job.

 

[tooextracool]

Going by your logic, Tatenda Taibu could well be the greatest test captain the world has ever seen...

because hes been captaining his side brilliantly? believe me you dont judge a captain solely by the number of victories that he has....you judge them by their strategies,field placings, playing as a team, getting the best out of their players etc.

 

[tooextracool]

i think pontings real test as captain comes in india......one of the reasons why i didnt rate waugh as highly as several other people on here was because his team failed in india despite having one of the best sides ever. if ponting can accomplish what waugh couldnt then there couldnt be much dispute that he is a very fine captain indeed.

 

[marc71178]

It won't have escaped the notice of many members that this afternoon has seen some of the most idiotic, banal and downright pathetic postings in the history of the forums.

I accept your apology.

 

[Scallywag]

That is an obvious one
there's no-one else there who's a realistic captain, so it's obvious why Ponting was named.

Thus it makes him the best captain the best captain in the World.

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Once I realised what you were saying it all made sense.

 

[luckyeddie]

Neil you have nothing of value to offer this thread except for trying to make racial statements and sling mud, go read what you wrote about trolls.

How can Neil have made 'race' an issue here? The only 'race' in Australia is the one to the dunny when someone says 'Hey, Bruce, It's your rahnd'.

He never mentioned chains either.

A little light-hearted banter never did any harm, did it?

For what it's worth, I think Ponting's the obvious choice as captain from that list, but I'll throw your 'Vaughan is rubbish' argument back at you for now (but rather more eloquently than your good self ) - have Ponting's captaincy credentials really been tested yet in the international arena? Should we not reserve judgement until after the Ashes series?

 

[Deja moo]

i think pontings real test as captain comes in india......one of the reasons why i didnt rate waugh as highly as several other people on here was because his team failed in india despite having one of the best sides ever. if ponting can accomplish what waugh couldnt then there couldnt be much dispute that he is a very fine captain indeed.

Thats not the end of it I'm afraid. IMO , Ponting has a stronger and more well prepared team than Waugh had in 2001 . It would be a very poor reflection on Pontings captaincy skills if the team managed anything other than a series victory .

 

[Scallywag]

have Ponting's captaincy credentials really been tested yet in the international arena? Should we not reserve judgement until after the Ashes series?

I think if you captain 73 ODI games, lead your team to an unbeaten world cup victory you must have very good credentials as a captain.

Ponting 79 tests 4 as captain: 204 ODI's 73 as captain.
Vaughan 50 tests 19 as captain: 53 ODI's 27 as captain.

So ponting has played 29 tests more than Vaughan and vaughan has captained 15 more tests than Ponting.

Ponting has played 151 more ODI's than Vaughan and captained 44 more ODI's than Vaughan.

You know I think you are clutching at straws now Lucky Edward.

 

[Scallywag]

(but rather more eloquently than your good self )

Well when in England do as the English do, I dont mean not bathe but talk in language they understand.

 

[luckyeddie]

Well when in England do as the English do, I dont mean not bathe but talk in language they understand.

An excellent riposte, Scallywag

(well, for you anyway)

 

[Scallywag]

Actually Lucky eddie I feel a bit like Ponting facing the English bowlers.

First Englands pace bowlers opened with Marc71178 and Neil.
I smashed Neil out of the park in his first over but Marc kept toiling away with his slow medium balls while I just kept on hitting him for fours, Lucky eddie came on with the spin to replace Neil ( Ponting plays spin very well now) but he too got smacked out of the park and Vaughan is standing there scratching his head wondering what to do.

I think you need to bring on Andre or Jamiee.

 

[luckyeddie]

Frankly, I'm totally baffled as to what Scallywag is getting at here.

But then again, that's not new.

 

[Scallywag]

Thats not the end of it I'm afraid. IMO , Ponting has a stronger and more well prepared team than Waugh had in 2001 . It would be a very poor reflection on Pontings captaincy skills if the team managed anything other than a series victory .

So what you are saying Deja-moo is that Australia have got better since the last series in India and India themselves have not improved at all.

I would have thought that India might be a bit different than the last series but you are an Indian fan so you would know if India arent better than when Waugh toured.