Richards vs. Tendulkar -Tests

[Ikki]

Keep laughing mate.

Tendukar eliminated to a big degree risk without overtly affecting his SR of average. Richards destructive he was also was prone to dying by that sword.

Huh? Richards averaged about the same as Tendulkar while striking almost 20 points faster.

Even with his career average as it is, it's still impressive. Take minnows from Tendulkar or just add a couple points for Viv that he would have likely gotten versus Sri Lanka and you can see even prima facie there is nothing in it. But then look at the fact that Richards has no weaknesses in his record - he even has a great spread in his innings averages. He was also captain - never losing a series - and even played twice as man Tests away IIRC and these things effectively put an end to "easily", if even equals.

As batsmen they're close; as players not so much. Ontop of what has been mentioned Viv was also a supreme fielder.

 

[Zinzan]

Tendulkar by a huge margin? What a joke.

Certainly no landslide as far as I'm concerned. Had to think about this one for a while truth be told

 

[JBH001]

Tendulkar by a huge margin? What a joke.

Yeah, agreed. I haven't voted on this thread yet because I still don't know where I fall on the issue. It was easier for me to cast my vote in the ODI thread for Tendulkar than it is here - somewhat ironic as the voting here is clear cut in comparison to that thread.

Also, the fact that votes are going in a certain way on CW is hardly indicative of anything, on any poll, for any player, ever. "Your" player getting more votes than another player on an obscure site with a small and somewhat cossetted membership does not mean anything. People really need to get over themselves.

 

[honestbharani]

I don't think Tendulkar is MUCH better than Richards or anything.. But I do think I would pick Tendulkar or even Lara ahead of Sir Viv in my test match team.. Personal preference more than anything else, tbh...

 

[SJS]

Yeah, agreed. I haven't voted on this thread yet because I still don't know where I fall on the issue. It was easier for me to cast my vote in the ODI thread for Tendulkar than it is here - somewhat ironic as the voting here is clear cut in comparison to that thread.

Also, the fact that votes are going in a certain way on CW is hardly indicative of anything, on any poll, for any player, ever. "Your" player getting more votes than another player on an obscure site with a somewhat cossetted membership does not mean anything. People really need to get over themselves.

Well said.

 

[Maximus0723]

What's a good guess of Viv;s SR...70?

 

[Maximus0723]

I don't think Tendulkar is MUCH better than Richards or anything.. But I do think I would pick Tendulkar or even Lara ahead of Sir Viv in my test match team.. Personal preference more than anything else, tbh...

dam man, all your posts have outs at the end.

be a man!

 

[Zinzan]

also, the fact that votes are going in a certain way on cw is hardly indicative of anything, on any poll, for any player, ever. "your" player getting more votes than another player on an obscure site with a somewhat cossetted membership does not mean anything. People really need to get over themselves.

awta

 

[honestbharani]

I haven't seen Richards play.. So don't look for anything convincing from me on him other than that I do think he was well ahead of his peers as an ODI batsman.... Check my posts on contemporary players comparison threads to see iifI am man enough.. lol..

 

[Maximus0723]

Didn't you vote Tendulkar?

 

[SJS]

What's a good guess of Viv;s SR...70?

For 80% of the runs he scored in Tests (6707 out of a career total of 8504 to be exact) for which the ball faced are recorded his strike rate is 68.8. Its unlikely that his actual rate would be much different. So your guess is pretty good actually

 

[Maximus0723]

For 80% of the runs he scored in Tests (6707 out of a career total of 8504 to be exact) for which the ball faced are recorded his strike rate is 68.8. Its unlikely that his actual rate would be much different. So your guess is pretty good actually

Thank you SJS.
Lara is recorded at 60, I am guessing Sachin is 58.

10 points in SR difference vs. 4 point in avg difference if you give 2/3 of the weight to minnows.

Close indeed.

 

[Ikki]

Viv is like Sehwag except he had all his positives and none of his negatives. He had many gears, instead of just one. He scored throughout a test match, rather than the beginning. His era had more competitive pitches and arguably better bowlers. He didn't have bats as big or a helmet to boot.

I know that's simplistic but you get the idea.

 

[Ikki]

Thank you SJS.
Lara is recorded at 60, I am guessing Sachin is 58.

10 points in SR difference vs. 4 point in avg difference if you give 2/3 of the weight to minnows.

Close indeed.

IIRC both Ponting and Lara have a tad higher SR. I thunk Tendulkar is in the low 50s.

 

[Maximus0723]

IIRC both Ponting and Lara have a tad higher SR. I thunk Tendulkar is in the low 50s.

I would like to know if you have any statistical basis.

My guess would be close to lara/ponting...so high 50s.

 

[Maximus0723]

Viv is like Sehwag except he had all his positives and none of his negatives. He had many gears, instead of just one. He scored throught a test match, rather than the beginning. His era had more competitive pitches and arguably better bowlers. He didn't have bats as big or a helmet to boot.

I know that's simplistic but you get the idea.

of the top of my head, Sehwag is amazing at converting 50s into hundreds...where as Viv isn't for a great player.

 

[biased indian]

I would like to know if you have any statistical basis.

My guess would be close to lara/ponting...so high 50s.

it's around 55

 

[Sir Alex]

What's a good guess of Viv;s SR...70?

Lower sixties

 

[Sir Alex]

Thank you SJS.
Lara is recorded at 60, I am guessing Sachin is 58.

10 points in SR difference vs. 4 point in avg difference if you give 2/3 of the weight to minnows.

Close indeed.

Figure in the consistency and longevity not to mention the tonnage, the gap widens.

 

[Sir Alex]

Now I believe an analysis of their careers would be easier if you remove teams which Richards did not play against. So I removed Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and South Africa from records of Tendulkar.

So the figures for Viv Richards as follows:

Team		Mat  	Runs  	 Ave   	100	50
v Australia 	34	2266	 44.43 	5	14
v England 	36	2869	 62.36 	8	15
v India 	28	1927	 50.71 	8	7
v New Zealand 	7	387	 43.00 	1	2
v Pakistan 	16	1091	 41.96 	2	7
[B]Total		121	8540	 50.24 	24	45[/B]

Tendulkar's are as follows:

Team		Mat  	Runs  	 Ave   	100	50
v Australia  	29	2748	 56.08 	10	11
v England 	24	2150	 61.42 	7	10
v New Zealand 	19	1406	 52.07 	4	7
v Pakistan 	18	1057	 42.28 	2	7
v West Indies 	16	1328	 57.73 	3	7
[B]Total		106	8689	 54.65 	26	42[/B]

Tendulkar has more runs and 2 100s more despite having played 15 fewer test matches than Richards. Tendulkar faced almost similar or even difficult attacks and yet average more than 4 points above Richards.